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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:39:13 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2
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On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:22 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <
lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> We are back to the why of all this. Why keep proposing replacements for
> perfectly good forms if you acknowledge they are perfectly good? If you are
> just seeking some way of dealing with cases  that are more difficult, why
> not start by building on the easy cases, rather than on some more complex
> forms that may do the same work?  Your difficult example involves so many
> logically (and Lojbanically) questionable moves that it can scarcely be
> used as an argument for a differ approach without a number of intervening
> steps justifying each move past an obstacle. To good from a hypothetical
> version of a clear case to acclaim to have dealt with a difficult and
> questionable one is not very convincing.
>

I'm not sure what it is you think I'm trying to convince you of. The cmavo
"poi'i" was proposed by And many many years ago and many people have found
it useful and not hard to understand at all. I didn't think my example was
that difficult, but here's a simpler one:

  lo poi'i lo gerku cu troci lo ka ce'u kavbu ke'a
  What the dog tries to catch.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:22 PM, &#39;John E. Clifford&#39; via lojban=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D=
"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>We are back to the why of all t=
his. Why keep proposing replacements for perfectly good forms if you acknow=
ledge they are perfectly good? If you are just seeking some way of dealing =
with cases =C2=A0that are more difficult, why not start by building on the =
easy cases, rather than on some more complex forms that may do the same wor=
k?=C2=A0 Your difficult example involves so many logically (and Lojbanicall=
y) questionable moves that it can scarcely be used as an argument for a dif=
fer approach without a number of intervening steps justifying each move pas=
t an obstacle. To good from a hypothetical version of a clear case to accla=
im to have dealt with a difficult and questionable one is not very convinci=
ng.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m not sure what i=
t is you think I&#39;m trying to convince you of. The cmavo &quot;poi&#39;i=
&quot; was proposed by And many many years ago and many people have found i=
t useful and not hard to understand at all. I didn&#39;t think my example w=
as that difficult, but here&#39;s a simpler one:</div><div><br></div><div>=
=C2=A0 lo poi&#39;i lo gerku cu troci lo ka ce&#39;u kavbu ke&#39;a</div><d=
iv>=C2=A0 What the dog tries to catch.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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