Received: from mail-wi0-f190.google.com ([209.85.212.190]:57923) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xd0GN-0006Lg-NU for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:36 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f190.google.com with SMTP id ho1sf317922wib.27 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Xh6Ou8rPz7PhvuLO+W2aQgnsJQhmTQ/mpqexHHMAPA0=; b=pZiUrVEs9HtZyykxg6ToWguudJTbZltALOYWcD/WltXcdY/yRzRmsCK/WlsDwAtovg UEQqcp8cE81CgU1KD1FnjMVHt+Bt2vyDl7hohe9UmX6HSXY2CujJkWjgM3LwINnP0P9E AG3ThuN30og2bOhK4JmDuY3pH7l94XTQEZHu/xV1qEOh1EKdn1An6+FTtaSFUyCbgaN3 WiI/uD13BhPY1H5nF/ziKsgVzm29C4ERm4g95ekO19mCTHSvyb4A/cbpL9YhbOA7X0pF CqnSHneN/SofRwgK0MSfC702paEZFvMtnfeerE5Wn+TJcYxZgwlDSgF7Dx1g/ZUgJMcq 31kw== X-Received: by 10.152.36.193 with SMTP id s1mr183867laj.0.1413047720003; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.206.72 with SMTP id lm8ls370778lac.9.gmail; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.137.230 with SMTP id ql6mr26875lbb.13.1413047718827; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x22f.google.com (mail-lb0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rb5si148810lbb.0.2014.10.11.10.15.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f; Received: by mail-lb0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id u10so4691025lbd.34 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.21.101 with SMTP id u5mr12867255lae.76.1413047718726; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.107 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20141008015245.GB17866@gonzales> <20141009010533.GF18854@gonzales> <20141009233031.GC1592@gonzales> <20141010234033.GG22868@gonzales> <20141011021201.GH22868@gonzales> <20141011143749.GD23876@gonzales> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:15:18 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d20445350bb050528cf19 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e013d20445350bb050528cf19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > 2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > >> >> Or perhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of these LAhEs. = I >> wouldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" the set of those things t= hat >> are both among A and among B, which would require redefining "lu'i" as "= lo >> selcmi be ro me", with three potential scope levels just as "tu'a" has, = and >> with the minimum being the correct one. >> > > > Sorry for intervening but what are the three levels of {tu'a}? Could you > please illustrate them via an example? > mi djica tu'a ci da [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] mi djica da The correct placement of "ci da", as we usually understand it, is in level 3. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e013d20445350bb050528cf19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <<= a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.= name@gmail.com> wrote:
2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <= jjllambias@gmail.= com>:

Or pe= rhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of these LAhEs. I wouldn= 't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" the set of those= things that are both among A and among B, which would require redefining &= quot;lu'i" as "lo selcmi be ro me", with three potential= scope levels just as "tu'a" has, and with the minimum being = the correct one.

Sorry for intervening but what are the three levels of = {tu'a}? Could you please illustrate them via an example?=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mi dji= ca tu'a ci da
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [level 1 zo'u] mi djic= a lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] mi dj= ica da

The correct placement of "ci da",= as we usually understand it, is in level 3.

mu= 9;o mi'e xorxes


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