Received: from mail-la0-f60.google.com ([209.85.215.60]:48538) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xd0QL-0006eh-BJ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:53 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f60.google.com with SMTP id q1sf483385lam.15 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=TleUlUkhZCUj+T0gUYAICebfZ3oEHLmBVNVNO8BIoGA=; b=UCnkGugtGI0r4Sr0pQ9T3nQSZrTG4lC8mRYnDQyHLc/zCsQPT70F42+arMcZI5Dz0s THFdrdpp9BL5q0S45kpFX39sBwKGIrXW/GOqG0snM1X7Tgcf+Cj+qr5KoCqgY8b0bABk /jHSXreDm6cvB9YYM7+fFz3siv838mSNXaRjusbly5u6w77ZRcjqxnuhVQUaK0VivmbZ Jf+RnIeQ2I2EDVvrS3wthJWuagM6y28+FxY+gTIYM8G6nT6UjycL3mq7iU1PUEh3bDFd nLIBWAmipiA4PbfT0tNPMyNH/khZF/VphErfArZoQ1D/w1fJWr9ukuUzZNILjRtlDx4L JqJg== X-Received: by 10.181.13.172 with SMTP id ez12mr73973wid.8.1413048337826; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.97.231 with SMTP id ed7ls277384wib.3.gmail; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.39.38 with SMTP id m6mr2365089wik.7.1413048337486; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com (mail-lb0-x232.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id us10si151142lbc.1.2014.10.11.10.25.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::232; Received: by mail-lb0-x232.google.com with SMTP id w7so4759367lbi.9 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.142.104 with SMTP id rv8mr12331730lbb.59.1413048337383; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.107 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:25:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20141008015245.GB17866@gonzales> <20141009010533.GF18854@gonzales> <20141009233031.GC1592@gonzales> <20141010234033.GG22868@gonzales> <20141011021201.GH22868@gonzales> <20141011143749.GD23876@gonzales> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:25:37 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3783e334786050528f485 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c3783e334786050528f485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : >> >>> >>> Or perhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of these LAhEs. >>> I wouldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" the set of those thing= s >>> that are both among A and among B, which would require redefining "lu'i= " as >>> "lo selcmi be ro me", with three potential scope levels just as "tu'a" = has, >>> and with the minimum being the correct one. >>> >> >> >> Sorry for intervening but what are the three levels of {tu'a}? Could you >> please illustrate them via an example? >> > > mi djica tu'a ci da > [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 > zo'u] mi djica da > I meant: [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] da co'e > The correct placement of "ci da", as we usually understand it, is in leve= l > 3. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c3783e334786050528f485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas = <jjllambias@gm= ail.com> wrote:


On S= at, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:
20= 14-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com= >:
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Or= perhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of these LAhEs. I wou= ldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" the set of th= ose things that are both among A and among B, which would require redefinin= g "lu'i" as "lo selcmi be ro me", with three potent= ial scope levels just as "tu'a" has, and with the minimum bei= ng the correct one.


Sorry for intervening but wh= at are the three levels of {tu'a}? Could you please illustrate them via= an example?=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mi djica tu'a ci da
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a= du'u [level 3 zo'u] mi djica da

I meant: =C2=A0 [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'= ;i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] da co'e


The correct placement of &= quot;ci da", as we usually understand it, is in level 3.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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