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Clifford' via lojban" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6A0F7EB5-6E98-495A-92A6-FCF6A7569FD0@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:58:28 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.96 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: "John E. Clifford" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2C9D7FE2-AAAA-4848-88F5-C6BD312E54D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-2C9D7FE2-AAAA-4848-88F5-C6BD312E54D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sent from my iPad On Oct 11, 2014, at 12:25, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote= : >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > 2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : >=20 > Or perhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of these LAhEs. I= wouldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" the set of those things tha= t are both among A and among B, which would require redefining "lu'i" as "l= o selcmi be ro me", with three potential scope levels just as "tu'a" has, a= nd with the minimum being the correct one. >=20 >=20 > Sorry for intervening but what are the three levels of {tu'a}? Could you = please illustrate them via an example?=20 >=20 > mi djica tu'a ci da > [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 z= o'u] mi djica da >=20 > I meant: [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [leve= l 3 zo'u] da co'e >=20 >=20 > The correct placement of "ci da", as we usually understand it, is in leve= l 3. >=20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Oct 11, 2014, at 12:25, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 a= t 2:15 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wro= te:

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 P= M, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrot= e:
2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jor= ge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

Or perhaps we need to reevaluat= e the definition of some of these LAhEs. I wouldn't mind for example making= "lu'i A .e B" the set of those things that are both among A and among B, w= hich would require redefining "lu'i" as "lo selcmi be ro me", with three po= tential scope levels just as "tu'a" has, and with the minimum being the cor= rect one.


Sorry for intervening but what are the= three levels of {tu'a}? Could you please illustrate them via an example?&n= bsp;

  =     mi djica tu'a ci da
      [level 1 z= o'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] mi djica da

I meant:   [lev= el 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] da co'e=


The correct placement= of "ci da", as we usually understand it, is in level 3.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


 

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