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So, with {ci da} in 1, we get something like "There are three people I want=
 to run for governor" (I tell you wo I mean and why I want them to run, say=
).  Case 3 is "I want three people t rn for governor" (I don't much care wh=
o they are but a three-way race is more interesting, say). What case 2 like=
?  The {da} ranges over the home universe, not that of the Wunschwelt, but =
is somehow also influenced by the wishing.


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On Oct 11, 2014, at 12:25, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote=
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> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.co=
m> wrote:
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>=20
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c=
om> wrote
> 2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
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> Or perhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of these LAhEs. I=
 wouldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" the set of those things tha=
t are both among A and among B, which would require redefining "lu'i" as "l=
o selcmi be ro me", with three potential scope levels just as "tu'a" has, a=
nd with the minimum being the correct one.
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>=20
> Sorry for intervening but what are the three levels of {tu'a}? Could you =
please illustrate them via an example?=20
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>       mi djica tu'a ci da
>       [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 z=
o'u] mi djica da
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> I meant:   [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [leve=
l 3 zo'u] da co'e
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>=20
> The correct placement of "ci da", as we usually understand it, is in leve=
l 3.
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> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>So, with {ci da} in 1, we=
 get something like "There are three people I want to run for governor" (I =
tell you wo I mean and why I want them to run, say). &nbsp;Case 3 is "I wan=
t three people t rn for governor" (I don't much care who they are but a thr=
ee-way race is more interesting, say). What case 2 like? &nbsp;The {da} ran=
ges over the home universe, not that of the Wunschwelt, but is somehow also=
 influenced by the wishing.</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><=
br>On Oct 11, 2014, at 12:25, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjl=
lambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jor=
ge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-wi=
dth:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxok=
una <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote</span><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-w=
idth:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><span><span class=3D"">2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADa=
s <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br></span><span class=3D""><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div><br></div><div>Or perhaps we need to reevaluate the definitio=
n of some of these LAhEs. I wouldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" =
the set of those things that are both among A and among B, which would requ=
ire redefining "lu'i" as "lo selcmi be ro me", with three potential scope l=
evels just as "tu'a" has, and with the minimum being the correct one.</div>=
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div></span></span>=
<span class=3D""><div>Sorry for intervening but what are the three levels o=
f {tu'a}? Could you please illustrate them via an example?&nbsp;</div></spa=
n></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; m=
i djica tu'a ci da</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [level 1 zo'u] mi djica l=
o po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] mi djica da</div></div></div=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I meant: &nbsp; [level 1 zo'u] mi d=
jica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] da co'e</div><div><br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>The correct placement of "ci da", as=
 we usually understand it, is in level 3.</div><span class=3D""><div><br></=
div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</d=
iv></span></div></div></div>
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