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Does p have to be the same for each value of x?  Or does it just have to be=
 the same up to x?  That is, can this be "I want three men to run for gover=
nor" in the sense of, say, needing to fill out a ballot.  They have to be t=
his worldly, but my wishes don't involve their identities. ?

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On Oct 11, 2014, at 13:41, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote=
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> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 3:10 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <lojban@go=
oglegroups.com> wrote:
> So, with {ci da} in 1, we get something like "There are three people I wa=
nt to run for governor" (I tell you wo I mean and why I want them to run, s=
ay).  Case 3 is "I want three people t rn for governor" (I don't much care =
who they are but a three-way race is more interesting, say). What case 2 li=
ke?  The {da} ranges over the home universe, not that of the Wunschwelt, bu=
t is somehow also influenced by the wishing.
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> Case 2 would be a weird one. The proposition p that I would be claiming t=
o want to be true would have to satisfy this:
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>    ci da zo'u py du'u da co'e
>    For exactly three values of x, p is the proposition that x [runs for g=
overnor].
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> Since the proposition p has to be the same for each one of three differen=
t values of x, it doesn't really make much sense with co'e as "runs for gov=
ernor". We would be forced to interpret "co'e" in such a way that "x co'e" =
gives the same proposition for different values of x.=20
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> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Does p have to be the sam=
e for each value of x? &nbsp;Or does it just have to be the same up to x? &=
nbsp;That is, can this be "I want three men to run for governor" in the sen=
se of, say, needing to fill out a ballot. &nbsp;They have to be this worldl=
y, but my wishes don't involve their identities. ?</div><div><br>Sent from =
my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 11, 2014, at 13:41, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 11, 2=
014 at 3:10 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"=
#FFFFFF"><div>So, with {ci da} in 1, we get something like "There are three=
 people I want to run for governor" (I tell you wo I mean and why I want th=
em to run, say).&nbsp; Case 3 is "I want three people t rn for governor" (I=
 don't much care who they are but a three-way race is more interesting, say=
). What case 2 like?&nbsp; The {da} ranges over the home universe, not that=
 of the Wunschwelt, but is somehow also influenced by the wishing.</div></d=
iv></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Case 2 would be a weird one. The propos=
ition p that I would be claiming to want to be true would have to satisfy t=
his:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;ci da zo'u py du'u da co'e</div>=
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp;For exactly three values of x, p is the proposition that =
x [runs for governor].</div><div><br></div><div>Since the proposition p has=
 to be the same for each one of three different values of x, it doesn't rea=
lly make much sense with co'e as "runs for governor". We would be forced to=
 interpret "co'e" in such a way that "x co'e" gives the same proposition fo=
r different values of x.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</d=
iv><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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