Received: from mail-ee0-f62.google.com ([74.125.83.62]:34363) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xd2uE-0002Wd-3Z for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:53 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f62.google.com with SMTP id c13sf530750eek.17 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BNi7uH2QGo7hBvLq1apnFpKon5WE6fN8nwZBprok6s8=; b=zB1tJF5EZDS1jX7X/UMVWoVBkQBqOR9Lme0Ew0LEy8QDEFEoJaNo6RfJdVKm84pg7y 3m4iSIfJ13jOz+xZubCFKQlDQwufb3DftQD/wIeRFBAyETQ94vkcYQUn9wVnJifVti7W EnWm49yLFDG+jgfvKYP7A3t+Pxtrd8Lso5IGlODYbArECkgbQgsxIa2b3U7iidKnZzi6 Cd+Jfyc2PI+hJDYf6KOwvJsekvVTLOqa5DnWLoRxUSPAMEeOJ5v51K92qpAJaLVEpUR2 ugxZ2/dvweFJJtusBrzUvdVcRc+4nQ24u/MiV48zVhRenZqN5ca4fyErVqW4q/oBh2TS OJiA== X-Received: by 10.180.98.167 with SMTP id ej7mr75831wib.15.1413057878984; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.13.133 with SMTP id h5ls257470wic.9.canary; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.221.236 with SMTP id qh12mr2486421wic.4.1413057878490; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x22f.google.com (mail-lb0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id us10si191305lbc.1.2014.10.11.13.04.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f; Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id u10so4683652lbd.6 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.22.200 with SMTP id g8mr13484904laf.1.1413057878367; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.107 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20141008015245.GB17866@gonzales> <20141009010533.GF18854@gonzales> <20141009233031.GC1592@gonzales> <20141010234033.GG22868@gonzales> <20141011021201.GH22868@gonzales> <20141011143749.GD23876@gonzales> <930D4F65-7C22-48E1-9B55-4B9A3C81CF37@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:04:38 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158c31ae3255605052b2c31 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0158c31ae3255605052b2c31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 4:46 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban < lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Does p have to be the same for each value of x? Or does it just have to > be the same up to x? That is, can this be "I want three men to run for > governor" in the sense of, say, needing to fill out a ballot. They have to > be this worldly, but my wishes don't involve their identities. ? > p is the proposition that satisfies "ci da zo'u ke'a du'u da co'e", so yes with singular "ci" it has to be the same proposition for each of three values of x, which doesn't make much sense. Now with plural "ci" it would make sense again, since now it is, for some three men, the proposition that they run. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0158c31ae3255605052b2c31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 4:46 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban = <lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Does p have to be the same for = each value of x?=C2=A0 Or does it just have to be the same up to x?=C2=A0 T= hat is, can this be "I want three men to run for governor" in the= sense of, say, needing to fill out a ballot.=C2=A0 They have to be this wo= rldly, but my wishes don't involve their identities. ?

p is the proposition that satisfies "ci da= zo'u ke'a du'u da co'e", so yes with singular "c= i" it has to be the same proposition for each of three values of x, wh= ich doesn't make much sense.

Now with plural &= quot;ci" it would make sense again, since now it is, for some three me= n, the proposition that they run.

mu'o mi'= e xorxes
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