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Clifford' via lojban < lojban@googlegroups.com>: > So, with {ci da} in 1, we get something like "There are three people I > want to run for governor" (I tell you wo I mean and why I want them to ru= n, > say). Case 3 is "I want three people t rn for governor" (I don't much ca= re > who they are but a three-way race is more interesting, say). > this sounds like a translation of {mi djica tu'a lo ci co'e}. What case 2 like? The {da} ranges over the home universe, not that of the > Wunschwelt, but is somehow also influenced by the wishing. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 11, 2014, at 12:25, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wro= te: > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote >>> >>> 2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : >>> >>>> >>>> Or perhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of these LAhEs= . >>>> I wouldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B" the set of those thin= gs >>>> that are both among A and among B, which would require redefining "lu'= i" as >>>> "lo selcmi be ro me", with three potential scope levels just as "tu'a"= has, >>>> and with the minimum being the correct one. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for intervening but what are the three levels of {tu'a}? Could yo= u >>> please illustrate them via an example? >>> >> >> mi djica tu'a ci da >> [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 >> zo'u] mi djica da >> > > I meant: [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [leve= l > 3 zo'u] da co'e > > >> The correct placement of "ci da", as we usually understand it, is in >> level 3. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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2014-10-11 22:10 GMT+04:00 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>:
So, with {ci da} in 1, we get something like= "There are three people I want to run for governor" (I tell you = wo I mean and why I want them to run, say).=C2=A0 Case 3 is "I want th= ree people t rn for governor" (I don't much care who they are but = a three-way race is more interesting, say).
this sounds like a translation of {mi djica tu'a lo ci co&= #39;e}.

What case 2 like?=C2=A0 The {da} ranges over the home univer= se, not that of the Wunschwelt, but is somehow also influenced by the wishi= ng.


Sent from my iPad
On Oct 11, 2014, at 12:25, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
=


On Sat, Oct 11, 201= 4 at 2:15 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> = wrote:

=
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Gleki= Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote=
2014-10-11 20:34 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
Or perhaps we need to reevaluate the definition of some of the= se LAhEs. I wouldn't mind for example making "lu'i A .e B"= ; the set of those things that are both among A and among B, which would re= quire redefining "lu'i" as "lo selcmi be ro me", wi= th three potential scope levels just as "tu'a" has, and with = the minimum being the correct one.


Sorry for intervening bu= t what are the three levels of {tu'a}? Could you please illustrate them= via an example?=C2=A0

=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mi djica tu'a ci da
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke= 'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] mi djica da

I meant: =C2=A0 [level 1 zo'u] mi djica lo = po'i [level 2 zo'u] ke'a du'u [level 3 zo'u] da co'= e


The correct placemen= t of "ci da", as we usually understand it, is in level 3.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

<= br>
=C2=A0

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