Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: "to" and "from" places in vorme, dargu, cripu, klaji
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cripu: x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, 
typically destination first].
dargu: x1 is a road/highway to x2 from x3 with route x4 (x2/x3 may be 
unordered).
vorme: x1 is a doorway/gateway/access way between x2 and x3 of structure x4.

I would interpret x2 and x3 same for all of these (as places/points/rooms 
connected by the structure).


How to describe two-way doors, bridges and streets?
relfarna dargu?


Side note; I searched for "bidirectional" and didn't find anything in 
vlasisku.
I then had a look for "graph";
There is fancyxra meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_of_a_function
But I couldn't find anything 
for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_(mathematics)
Other graph related words ("edge", "vertex", "node", etc.) also seem to be 
missing.

Did I fail to find the gismu for these concepts, or is Lojban lacking some 
basic, important, and useful mathematical concepts?


On Sunday, October 12, 2014 6:38:19 PM UTC+10, la gleki wrote:
>
> cripu, dargu have "to"/"from" places but not vorme
> klaji doesnt have "from" place.
>
> how would you express them when they are absent? How to describe two-way 
> doors, bridges and streets?
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>cripu: x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 b=
etween x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destination first].</div></div><div>=
<div>dargu: x1 is a road/highway to x2 from x3 with route x4 (x2/x3 may be =
unordered).</div></div><div>vorme: x1 is a doorway/gateway/access way betwe=
en x2 and x3 of structure x4.</div></div><div><br></div>I would interpret x=
2 and x3 same for all of these (as places/points/rooms connected by the str=
ucture).<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>How to describe two-way doors, b=
ridges and streets?<br></div><div>relfarna dargu?</div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>Side note; I searched for "bidirectional" and didn't find an=
ything in vlasisku.</div><div>I then had a look for "graph";</div><div>Ther=
e is&nbsp;fancyxra meaning&nbsp;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_of_a_fu=
nction</div><div>But I couldn't find anything for&nbsp;https://en.wikipedia=
.org/wiki/Graph_(mathematics)</div><div>Other graph related words ("edge", =
"vertex", "node", etc.) also seem to be missing.<br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Did I fail to find the gismu for these concepts, or is Lojban lacking so=
me basic, important, and useful mathematical concepts?</div><div><br></div>=
<div><br>On Sunday, October 12, 2014 6:38:19 PM UTC+10, la gleki wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>cripu, dargu=
 have "to"/"from" places but not vorme</div><div>klaji doesnt have "from" p=
lace.</div><div><br></div><div>how would you express them when they are abs=
ent? How to describe two-way doors, bridges and streets?</div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>

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