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[2a00:1450:400c:c00::243]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ea8si246658wib.1.2014.10.12.23.09.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::243 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::243; Received: by mail-wg0-f67.google.com with SMTP id y10so2451564wgg.6 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:09:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.234.66 with SMTP id uc2mr18264792wjc.26.1413180577740; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:09:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:09:37 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "to" and "from" places in vorme, dargu, cripu, klaji From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::243 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149337e56fe5b050547be49 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0149337e56fe5b050547be49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-10-12 19:39 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> How to describe two-way doors, bridges and streets? >>>> >>> >>> "relselfa'a" (vs. "pavyselfa'a")? >>> >> >> With corresponding places deleted with zi'o? won't that be too bulky? >> > > For example? Not sure what you mean. > cripu =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destination first]. Now if you say {farna} derivative can do what cripu3 and cripu4 can do then why do we have cripu3 and cripu4? When using cripu3/4 we can't even be sure where is destination due to "typically". And most bridges are two way bridges. Using cripu place structure looks like a nightmare here: if the bridge A is between B and C then it is {abu cripu be fi by bei cy be'o je cripu be fi cy bei by be'o} which can be "compressed" into {abu ve se te sexiveipa.ereve'o te se ve cripu by. cy.} Not really a compression since it doesn't save syllables. Also I don't understand how to use {relselfa'a} since it doesn't manage cripu3/4 that continue to exist possible creating conflicts with {relselfa'a}. > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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2014-10-12 19:39 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.co= m>:

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014= at 12:29 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
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How to describe two-way doors, brid= ges and streets?

"r= elselfa'a" (vs. "pavyselfa'a")?

With corresponding places d= eleted with zi'o? won't that be too bulky?=C2=A0
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For example? Not sure what you= mean.

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cripu =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [u= nordered, typically destination first].

Now if you= say {farna} derivative can do what cripu3 and cripu4 can do then why do we= have cripu3 and cripu4?
When using cripu3/4 we can't even be= sure where is destination due to "typically".

And most bridges are two way bridges. Using cripu place structure lo= oks like a nightmare here:

if the bridge A is betw= een B and C then it is=C2=A0
{abu cripu be fi by bei cy be'o = je=C2=A0cripu be fi cy bei by be'o}
which can be "compre= ssed" into=C2=A0

{abu ve se te sexiveipa.erev= e'o te se ve cripu by. cy.}
Not really a compression since it= doesn't save syllables.

Also I don't unde= rstand how to use {relselfa'a} since it doesn't manage cripu3/4 tha= t continue to exist possible creating conflicts with {relselfa'a}.




mu'o mi'e xorxes
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