Received: from mail-qa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.216.55]:35983) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdgqc-0004IW-Pw for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:43:52 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id x12sf1317437qac.10 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NkEZPlTycxMQzrjiG/FhzoGRo5Kmw5zwsG2NapKfVFY=; b=vexr6MwJhUChukEzBpQN5yfaKIRTehkkLuJrUtpJjYz3ORZ8YlCIVxv7YO+MtdeEA0 Skrve9198/RWsC577lN3ywghuWziVi2iz7f4or/owP3nthF11a6Aiocb1zeERchqaznG B1w5bVqdTJ6PgmQidbn2t6GZAPnJR+RVQpzYe6sGf1IG/5Fk2+pDLJm+QCCnf36OwgmP 75wyqADoLDFxmt7UT75cefL8B+dhox9Fd/LpeAx5x+MVPbCysih0NWdhYEraM8XHRxDq Aprz7wFs/pvy/58MU4zJbJB0996bDJ8wZzWKdSDAbcfiGYXnYEPRFMvXawWkOv2leRxk /xAQ== X-Received: by 10.140.20.246 with SMTP id 109mr393369qgj.0.1413211416291; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.43.100 with SMTP id d91ls734869qga.6.gmail; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:43:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.109.100 with SMTP id k91mr8585qgf.26.1413211415886; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: iesk To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <5ea37a11-2222-4cd0-b184-69309aa69281@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban] "to" and "from" places in vorme, dargu, cripu, klaji MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: pa.fae@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_96_590150974.1413211415282" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_96_590150974.1413211415282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .i la gleki ku cusku di'e >When using cripu3/4 we can't even be sure where is destination due to=20 "typically". > >And most bridges are two way bridges. Using cripu place structure looks=20 like a nightmare here >[=E2=80=A6] I understand >x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, typically= =20 destination first]. thusly: {cripu}ing means spanning over x2, objectively connecting x2 and=20 x4, and that=E2=80=99s it. While which one is considered a starting point a= nd which=20 one a destination=E2=80=94if you imagine crossing the x2 via what {cripu}es= it=E2=80=94is=20 obviously subjective, depending on ma kau klama ma kau ma kau lo bi'u nai= =20 cripu. I take the stuff in square brackets as a mere comment on usage as=20 observed, expected, or recommended at the time of the compiling of the=20 gi'uste, not as part of the definition. I guess it would be highly impractical if {cripu} were to have places=20 corresponding to {klama}2 and {klama}3, since it doesn=E2=80=99t have a {kl= ama}1=20 equivalent to clarify the perspective. mu'o mi'e la iesko --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_96_590150974.1413211415282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
.i la gleki ku cusku di'e
>When using cripu3/4 we ca= n't even be sure where is destination due to "typically".
>
>An= d most bridges are two way bridges. Using cripu place structure looks like = a nightmare here
>[=E2=80=A6]

I understand

>x1 is a = bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destinat= ion first].

thusly: {cripu}ing means spanning over x2, objectively c= onnecting x2 and x4, and that=E2=80=99s it. While which one is considered a= starting point and which one a destination=E2=80=94if you imagine crossing= the x2 via what {cripu}es it=E2=80=94is obviously subjective, depending on= ma kau klama ma kau ma kau lo bi'u nai cripu. I take the stuff in square b= rackets as a mere comment on usage as observed, expected, or recommended at= the time of the compiling of the gi'uste, not as part of the definition.
I guess it would be highly impractical if {cripu} were to have places= corresponding to {klama}2 and {klama}3, since it doesn=E2=80=99t have a {k= lama}1 equivalent to clarify the perspective.

mu'o mi'e la iesko

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