Received: from mail-la0-f57.google.com ([209.85.215.57]:38956) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XdhUa-0004wC-2F for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:25:11 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f57.google.com with SMTP id mc6sf744532lab.2 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0LceuWSgtFRQWHyxOyzZKRE3VJ7qugf9ux1nunzywzI=; b=ggHNIQ6wqhiGCIzDeapNAXyHTganQ1wuhENvffz9B56as2RCgz4JjODVMmtGIq2QDC s8Jy5B4WQ8gAM+v1guBsEwDoGUzuSkLe4nPVDYXQEAzak3+cbxT8WyVSUNmy6aRbPpbV 7guGcMPjGvgQhwLTw57ox3GXKS4EU/TZeyXMyl+oCxt+zYYowjp264YTeS+AVuFbUhjy sKLxTYh4k6LQutpqcoRU/bdvG0LXowQ4NBiAwaomNuDj9YhtVh+sBrdcLACT/ViQU8hB 2FKmB/hcbm+KeqmxDQsjV5sMNK6YFAxuJ5FearEhReiT5qGSLw48s0ZKAubzr8FGVZy4 QR9A== X-Received: by 10.152.2.39 with SMTP id 7mr126353lar.5.1413213892625; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.22.130 with SMTP id d2ls420488laf.98.gmail; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.156.167 with SMTP id wf7mr621lbb.20.1413213891912; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x236.google.com (mail-lb0-x236.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rb5si751359lbb.0.2014.10.13.08.24.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::236; Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z11so6662267lbi.27 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.36.130 with SMTP id q2mr25362064laj.42.1413213891814; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.107 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:24:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:24:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "to" and "from" places in vorme, dargu, cripu, klaji From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158b5d2036a4205054f8068 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0158b5d2036a4205054f8068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > cripu = x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, > typically destination first]. > > Now if you say {farna} derivative can do what cripu3 and cripu4 can do > then why do we have cripu3 and cripu4? > When using cripu3/4 we can't even be sure where is destination due to > "typically". > I think the comment just means that when there is a destination, you would put it in cripu3. So for example if you are looking from side A of a bridge between A and B, you would say "tu cripu fi B", but if you were looking at it from side B, you would say "tu cripu fi A", Question: is an underpass a cripu? Is a bypass a cripu? > Also I don't understand how to use {relselfa'a} since it doesn't manage > cripu3/4 that continue to exist possible creating conflicts with > {relselfa'a}. > I was just suggesting a possible way to describe a two-way bridge: "lo relselfa'a cripu". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0158b5d2036a4205054f8068 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <<= a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.= name@gmail.com> wrote:
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cripu =3D x1 is a bri= dge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destination= first].

Now if you say {farna} derivative can do = what cripu3 and cripu4 can do then why do we have cripu3 and cripu4?
<= div>When using cripu3/4 we can't even be sure where is destination due = to "typically".
I think the comment just means that when there is a destinatio= n, you would put it in cripu3.=C2=A0 So for example if you are looking from= side A of a bridge between A and B, you would say "tu cripu fi B"= ;, but if you were looking at it from side B, you would say "tu cripu = fi A",=C2=A0

Question: is an underpass a crip= u? Is a bypass a cripu?
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Also I don't understand how to use {relselfa'a} s= ince it doesn't manage cripu3/4 that continue to exist possible creatin= g conflicts with {relselfa'a}.

I was just suggesting a possible way to describe a two-way = bridge: "lo relselfa'a cripu".

mu= 9;o mi'e xorxes

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