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[216.39.63.160]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wa5si1614744pab.2.2014.10.13.11.10.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.160 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.39.63.160; Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2014 18:10:46 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.244] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2014 18:10:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2014 18:10:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 157666.71976.bm@omp1015.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28856 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2014 18:10:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DXZNtA8VM1longqvr9foUvztpQKFFWZQBv6kZWq4L1Zzr4d ylP3ER.VU.4MMXytdeI69zGN6ryhizE1uhTWq.pxt975GQYC7G4rauiulk2q vGH0m9Bl.JW0_RciY91Trua2H.o17cOJ0EYKRz4SMf5YpPu4b3SFdBES1Rwt Xx.XHaZu3k90iPmNCr4PHz_dJMOC3BfUp7X7OIlRUfgy0_mT9kO3SuGZffaw XmdO1r9Mi4IXUC43EkfjWNLkeDSKQdk.V.u_QgGJzhCxCVU6cMwa6.APiaqr aNR8efdl0iznmXLKi.jqtZH3g8CvC3h_x4zJ29v25fMhJ91cBoivBYAkR7Ya Opeqhg19MR.a4U4bvqWAz2pNNlcv_58FIBr5Hob_qDMH2ozp8p7MhR4c7w_8 sTYTrukMCHiEPgKyZapbRU.ps8alcSCL2tgzSvjOAA9A1tS7kPrFcaRAMqku zCwoHZkDIWk7L7vI_sXJnQnv6jaza30xW5vEZZOL6Q9sXIvQTHAy6Rf2l5Hu CIpJE7aBt77I0UYaEPUj0d9dxPdFlUWXFrRG.ZhwaXSR_OTpgjM0n26i5uy7 VQAVSH3FqGSm28FarrF8gStcWwuagAILm5Jui_e4KRUCdLHwqK93wtRANOKM U8N7OIV83JG_iYUv_jYCdXZ91aN2.6j2.A8F1C7BglAXpU0u9I2rQT_Dgraj 3pp4CgWTlv4knPjOifUbsaku873CIvLXsSRfy1MeOsYo- Received: from [99.92.108.29] by web181106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:10:45 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,QW5kIHVuZGVycGFzcyBpc24ndCBidXQgd2hhdCBpdCBnb2VzIHVuZGVyIGFwcGFyZW50bHkgaXMKCgpPbiBNb25kYXksIE9jdG9iZXIgMTMsIDIwMTQgMTA6MjQgQU0sIEpvcmdlIExsYW1iw61hcyA8ampsbGFtYmlhc0BnbWFpbC5jb20.IHdyb3RlOgogCgoKCgoKCk9uIE1vbiwgT2N0IDEzLCAyMDE0IGF0IDM6MDkgQU0sIEdsZWtpIEFyeG9rdW5hIDxnbGVraS5pcy5teS5uYW1lQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6CgogCj5jcmlwdSA9IHgxIGlzIGEgYnJpZGdlL3NwYW4gb3Zlci9hY3Jvc3MgeDIgYmV0d2VlbiABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.203.696 References: Message-ID: <1413223845.70183.YahooMailNeo@web181106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:10:45 -0700 From: "'John E Clifford' via lojban" Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "to" and "from" places in vorme, dargu, cripu, klaji To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.160 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: John E Clifford Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-910415156-379278476-1413223845=:70183" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ---910415156-379278476-1413223845=:70183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And underpass isn't but what it goes under apparently is On Monday, October 13, 2014 10:24 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: =20 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: =20 >cripu =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered,= typically destination first]. > > >Now if you say {farna} derivative can do what cripu3 and cripu4 can do the= n why do we have cripu3 and cripu4? >When using cripu3/4 we can't even be sure where is destination due to "typ= ically". I think the comment just means that when there is a destination, you would = put it in cripu3. So for example if you are looking from side A of a bridg= e between A and B, you would say "tu cripu fi B", but if you were looking a= t it from side B, you would say "tu cripu fi A",=20 Question: is an underpass a cripu? Is a bypass a cripu? =20 Also I don't understand how to use {relselfa'a} since it doesn't manage cri= pu3/4 that continue to exist possible creating conflicts with {relselfa'a}. I was just suggesting a possible way to describe a two-way bridge: "lo rels= elfa'a cripu". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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And underpass isn't but what it goes under apparen= tly is


On Monday, October 13, 2014= 10:24 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Mon, Oc= t 13, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
 
<= div>
cripu =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [un= ordered, typically destination first].

<= div>Now if you say {farna} derivative can do what cripu3 and cripu4 can do = then why do we have cripu3 and cripu4?
When using cripu3/4 we can= 't even be sure where is destination due to "typically".
<= /div>

I think the comm= ent just means that when there is a destination, you would put it in cripu3.  So for example i= f you are looking from side A of a bridge between A and B, you would say "t= u cripu fi B", but if you were looking at it from side B, you would say "tu= cripu fi A", 

Question: is an= underpass a cripu? Is a bypass a cripu?
 
<= div>
Also I don't understand how to use {relselfa'a} since it doe= sn't manage cripu3/4 that continue to exist possible creating conflicts wit= h {relselfa'a}.

I was just suggesting a possible way to describe a two-way brid= ge: "lo relselfa'a cripu".

mu'o mi'= e xorxes

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