Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:53046) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XdkNQ-00077w-4C for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:56 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f189.google.com with SMTP id z11sf791597lbi.6 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ItQbt9MAJe4wW6YTP+dMeiT0aFs9aPMyOJjpUht7Uag=; b=eLlGIOllLxYiamup7LkPxC8Y+lCgL4pehNrHMXTD3VZOzsnyfW3VzZLke0T8uw7d13 bahCEPp2Or8GkQhDrqLF0DfPInsgKwjSY/xJE/bFSDnDpcXRs1iyefOzLEhgiDOQ4iHE vlXGAPeIWautyeTMxsAzol5qX49yWg/B2F9wRh0Y7qNc2jIKzK623QGRhv9jnjSMZLY9 ZBqriyxszYFX5K+FNKZrRZbAchVKBw/zLnEhlPIJl+i7jltRBEHt2LMAA+fumU4IJ9Pr o8HCA8ssxTBzRUhZj/HC9XwnMXIRk2KtcocGuie1ooJN6e75m9BGniCHZgUEdLqCRq1v d5MQ== X-Received: by 10.180.75.73 with SMTP id a9mr7112wiw.18.1413224980681; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.19.98 with SMTP id d2ls83321wie.30.canary; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.75.5 with SMTP id y5mr126748wiv.4.1413224980234; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cy3si602690wib.2.2014.10.13.11.29.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id hi2so8158669wib.3 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.206.106 with SMTP id ln10mr258002wjc.90.1413224980144; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:29:40 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "to" and "from" places in vorme, dargu, cripu, klaji From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b874afeede833050552143d X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b874afeede833050552143d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-10-13 19:24 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> cripu =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/across x2 between x3 and x4 [unordere= d, >> typically destination first]. >> >> Now if you say {farna} derivative can do what cripu3 and cripu4 can do >> then why do we have cripu3 and cripu4? >> When using cripu3/4 we can't even be sure where is destination due to >> "typically". >> > > I think the comment just means that when there is a destination, you woul= d > put it in cripu3. So for example if you are looking from side A of a > bridge between A and B, you would say "tu cripu fi B", but if you were > looking at it from side B, you would say "tu cripu fi A", > My problem is that one cannot easily say "let's build a bridge" since that would imply that there is a x3 and x4 of that bridge which is not true if the destination changes depending on your viewpoint. > Question: is an underpass a cripu? Is a bypass a cripu? > > >> Also I don't understand how to use {relselfa'a} since it doesn't manage >> cripu3/4 that continue to exist possible creating conflicts with >> {relselfa'a}. >> > > I was just suggesting a possible way to describe a two-way bridge: "lo > relselfa'a cripu". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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2014-10-13 19:24 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.co= m>:


On= Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:
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cripu =3D x1 is a bridge/span over/acr= oss x2 between x3 and x4 [unordered, typically destination first].

Now if you say {farna} derivative can do what cripu3 and c= ripu4 can do then why do we have cripu3 and cripu4?
When using cr= ipu3/4 we can't even be sure where is destination due to "typicall= y".

I think the comment just means that when there is a destination, you wou= ld put it in cripu3.=C2=A0 So for example if you are looking from side A of= a bridge between A and B, you would say "tu cripu fi B", but if = you were looking at it from side B, you would say "tu cripu fi A"= ,=C2=A0

My problem = is that one cannot easily say "let's build a bridge" since th= at would imply that there is a x3 and x4 of that bridge which is not true i= f the destination changes depending on your viewpoint.

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Question: is an underpass a = cripu? Is a bypass a cripu?
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Also I don't understand how to u= se {relselfa'a} since it doesn't manage cripu3/4 that continue to e= xist possible creating conflicts with {relselfa'a}.

I was just suggesting a possibl= e way to describe a two-way bridge: "lo relselfa'a cripu".

mu'o mi'e xorxes
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