Received: from mail-wi0-f192.google.com ([209.85.212.192]:55936) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XdkbD-0007FL-Tn for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:44:08 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f192.google.com with SMTP id r20sf601056wiv.19 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:43:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+SqdOQ9gXnQVYxY95ZBPsNQm3ReeD3eK6Gg9p/0DT/A=; b=A6xXVKLxexAEkEs4TZAelXV4ROMYVLWfQSiQYxJyRc2tX8poCJ9RtWbeJJLsxl9KLB M4vO45bcM4DcG2K2fKAV6SVPa4K3z5gy/Q/kvfCC4CRrkFU4wYXmEImnhgkxyrXQKJYn gl/6963LKuatdZotzmSsLYyJvQn1sTzY4XdVuQnXgWXyrsyk+6Zb4ufH7b243wKyrKVb q/kx7JF/Wiv2SsJBTA8EaZggVkI5ykEiddZ2lnYr+d+0uCSExOHLJMg0yC7YqFc9qURU Wpys3+Vv30J612nMxth+FvP72P+ZgvjOlmm2Ops2ozmwgr6KJfhZZFfsyS5A7q0E5bLd worA== X-Received: by 10.152.205.106 with SMTP id lf10mr1478lac.42.1413225834643; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.21.228 with SMTP id y4ls463381lae.76.gmail; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.26.82 with SMTP id j18mr7594lbg.16.1413225833515; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rb5si818664lbb.0.2014.10.13.11.43.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([93.220.115.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MHMRr-1XROWY020h-00E8nd for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:43:53 +0200 Message-ID: <543C1D68.2000805@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:43:52 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 References: <20141008015245.GB17866@gonzales> <20141009010533.GF18854@gonzales> <20141009233031.GC1592@gonzales> <20141010234033.GG22868@gonzales> <20141011021201.GH22868@gonzales> <543917AA.30802@gmail.com> <20141011141805.GC23876@gonzales> <543BB275.8050204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:OA5mEJxeMds6ClSiWN2qmeic2Qxsdu2XFgeoy8miJwtlbTh1A5n 4cjh4opMCFeVJ12Abvlrn4sJuB2rnFi3Fj59fzTrqLhgqXWI9RX1Nr1XD/rC0GB5MfS94WI hfIxZia4GsbV0m0e/aVlCLDdIwbJ7L5XIjOmPsjV+6gw4bwcD3Iak04TXz+k8dcd7AU+8WT asIEjYW9BJnGdeckRGeUA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e > In the particular case of "tu'a" in > LAhE, for example, we can just create two subselmaho LAhE1 and LAhE2 > which share the same morphophonological combinatorics but differ > (slightly) in the logical form behind them. I actually think {tu'a} deserves its own selma'o. Not only is it different from the other LAhE, there is also a proposal to allow {tu'a} to work on tag-terms: tu'a bai ko'a -> lo su'u bai ko'a zo'u co'e There are no obviously useful corresponding forms for the other LAhE, so I would personally be tempted to move {tu'a} to TUhA rather than creating a bunch of meaningless but "grammatical" forms for non-{tu'a} LAhE. In a similar vein, I am for splitting up the PA selma'o in order to outlaw the many nonsensical grammatical PA-strings and to give the meaningful PA-strings a proper parse tree (which they currently do not have. The meaning of complex quantifiers corresponds only rarely to the structure the parser suggests). mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.