Received: from mail-wg0-f57.google.com ([74.125.82.57]:50333) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdm0o-000092-N0 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:40 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f57.google.com with SMTP id a1sf782288wgh.22 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uzrLfJs9bTILhRRFMoqsHwct6ya530WuB/tmuD2snIs=; b=FVPhdYe+FaJqw46EgCWUul+Q1TaI1tNMNEMd5BhrJjXRu+iTSBTzz5cJf7062PaGwo XYUfZt0H4t+qgZw3KLJEMW6JGotOnpIvFMzMYWHQdy95+oSHf66aqeCARM9FHZcWap4a UYKJNjhdTuTB0SI//u6QoJ0T7BR6tVxEbruDMmvo42BF2aDjc/5+m9xjVF6aYPwLvsza LM7xQ1lmsRBOTnvnQZUB4ZTD54pv8aONodfkDtlaE0hfutpFaHNK9D/bcFckl6dLdvu7 DthkvD4qBjBiS4Vrg9gziHDbUaOOHN4UWWX/QPqeBW+Bp3sCc3BPo9HddeEpYtmfjqFO kFJg== X-Received: by 10.152.6.193 with SMTP id d1mr9357laa.24.1413231264589; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.170.133 with SMTP id am5ls540604lac.54.gmail; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.27.38 with SMTP id q6mr109405lag.5.1413231263321; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com (mail-wi0-x236.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gk3si305113wib.1.2014.10.13.13.14.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::236; Received: by mail-wi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id n3so8421812wiv.9 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.2.8 with SMTP id 8mr541857wjq.85.1413231263218; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.105.201 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <543C1D68.2000805@gmx.de> References: <20141008015245.GB17866@gonzales> <20141009010533.GF18854@gonzales> <20141009233031.GC1592@gonzales> <20141010234033.GG22868@gonzales> <20141011021201.GH22868@gonzales> <543917AA.30802@gmail.com> <20141011141805.GC23876@gonzales> <543BB275.8050204@gmail.com> <543C1D68.2000805@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:14:23 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a89a46e01000505538b5f X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b3a89a46e01000505538b5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM, selpa'i wrote: > > I actually think {tu'a} deserves its own selma'o. Not only is it different > from the other LAhE, there is also a proposal to allow {tu'a} to work on > tag-terms: > > tu'a bai ko'a -> lo su'u bai ko'a zo'u co'e > Makes sense. So we can say for example: mi zmanei tu'a se pi'o lo forca "I prefer with a fork." There are no obviously useful corresponding forms for the other LAhE, so I > would personally be tempted to move {tu'a} to TUhA rather than creating a > bunch of meaningless but "grammatical" forms for non-{tu'a} LAhE. > Right. In a similar vein, I am for splitting up the PA selma'o in order to outlaw > the many nonsensical grammatical PA-strings and to give the meaningful > PA-strings a proper parse tree (which they currently do not have. The > meaning of complex quantifiers corresponds only rarely to the structure the > parser suggests). I agree. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b3a89a46e01000505538b5f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> = wrote:

I actually think {tu'a} deserves its own selma'o. Not only is it di= fferent from the other LAhE, there is also a proposal to allow {tu'a} t= o work on tag-terms:

tu'a bai ko'a -> lo su'u bai ko'a zo'u co'e
<= /blockquote>

Makes sense. So we can say for example:

=C2=A0 mi zmanei tu'a se pi'o lo forca
<= div>=C2=A0 "I prefer with a fork." =C2=A0

There are no obviously useful corresponding forms for the other LAhE, so I = would personally be tempted to move {tu'a} to TUhA rather than creating= a bunch of meaningless but "grammatical" forms for non-{tu'a= } LAhE.

Right.=C2=A0

In a similar vein, I am for splitting up the PA selma'o in order to out= law the many nonsensical grammatical PA-strings and to give the meaningful = PA-strings a proper parse tree (which they currently do not have. The meani= ng of complex quantifiers corresponds only rarely to the structure the pars= er suggests).

I agree.

=
mu'o mi'e xorxes

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