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Subject: [lojban] tosmabru test: intelligible explanation sought
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:35:32 +0000
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coi rodo

I'm looking for an (intelligible) explanation of the "tosmabru test"
that's part of the "lujvo-making alogrithm" in section 11 of chapter 4
of the CLL (the chapter on morphology).  The problem I'm having is that
the explanation of the tosmabru test on p. 71 can only be understood by
someone who already understands the test.  (...which kind of defeats the
point of reading and writing about it, doesn't it?)  In particular:

  1.  In the pattern "CVC...CVC + X", is the "..." intended to represent
      a sequence only of CVC rafsi?

  2.  What does "something which has caused a 'y'-hyphen to be installed
      between the previous CVC and itself by one of the above rules"
      mean?  Is that just a complicated way of saying that the final
      consonant of the final CVC and initial consonant of X formed an
      impermissible consonant pair?  Does reference to "the above rules"
      include rule 5, the tosmabru test itself?

  3.  When "no further hyphens are needed", to what level of recursion
      does that refer?

  4.  When installing a y-hyphen at "the first such joint", is the first
      joint counted from the left, or from the right?

  5.  I presume, if the tosmabru test doesn't apply, that the lujvo
      "passes" the test (because it's the last step in the lujvo-making
      algorithm), but the description doesn't explicitly state this.

Basically, the description in the CLL can only be understood if you
already understand the test, or can re-invent it yourself.  Could
somebody please point me to a clear explanation of this "tosmabru test"?

ki'e sai

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