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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:42:26 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] tosmabru test: intelligible explanation sought
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> My mental algorithm is a somewhat more unified version of yours. I look at
> it as CMAVO-X. If X would be a gismu form or a lujvo form, then CMAVO-X is
> CMAVO X. Otherwise it stays together. The CMAVO in CVC-X is the CV; the
> CMAVO in CV'V-X is the CV'V; the CMAVO in CVV-X is the CVV. We fix the
> first case with a {y} hyphen; we fix the other two cases with a consonant
> hyphen ({r}, {n}, {l}, in that order).
>

Yes. athough for the r-hyphen case the condition "if X would be a gismu
form or a lujvo form" is not enough, it could also be one or more cmavo
forms followed by a gismu form, a lujvo form, or nothing: e,g,  CVV+CVV
requires -r-, CVV+CVV+CCVCV requires -r-, and so on.

One nice thing about this view is that it shows how "tosmabru" and
> "slinku'i" are dual to one another. "slinku'i" is the manifestation of the
> rule that when X is a zi'evla (fu'ivla in CLL terminology), CMAVO-X does
> *not* fragment.
>

I think you mean "when X is a slinku'i". A slinku'i is not a valid zi'evla

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>My=
 mental algorithm is a somewhat more unified version of yours. I look at it=
 as CMAVO-X. If X would be a gismu form or a lujvo form, then CMAVO-X is CM=
AVO X. Otherwise it stays together. The CMAVO in CVC-X is the CV; the CMAVO=
 in CV&#39;V-X is the CV&#39;V; the CMAVO in CVV-X is the CVV. We fix the f=
irst case with a {y} hyphen; we fix the other two cases with a consonant hy=
phen ({r}, {n}, {l}, in that order).<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>Yes. athough for the r-hyphen case the condition &quot;if X=
 would be a gismu form or a lujvo form&quot; is not enough, it could also b=
e one or more cmavo forms followed by a gismu form, a lujvo form, or nothin=
g: e,g, =C2=A0CVV+CVV requires -r-, CVV+CVV+CCVCV requires -r-, and so on.<=
/div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>One nice thing a=
bout this view is that it shows how &quot;tosmabru&quot; and &quot;slinku&#=
39;i&quot; are dual to one another. &quot;slinku&#39;i&quot; is the manifes=
tation of the rule that when X is a zi&#39;evla (fu&#39;ivla in CLL termino=
logy), CMAVO-X does <i>not</i> fragment.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>I think you mean &quot;when X is a slinku&#39;i&quot;. A slin=
ku&#39;i is not a valid zi&#39;evla =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;=
o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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