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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org>= wrote:

ba gi broda gi zajba=C2=A0 =3D=3D=C2=A0 broda .i ba bo zajba
bai gi broda gi zajba=C2=A0 =3D=3D=C2=A0 zajba .i bai bo broda

Which reminds me - which way should
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 broda .i ba je bai bo zajba
work, or should it be some mix? If a mix, how about with {joi}?

I guess it would be: "ba je se bai gi broda g= i zajba" and the same for "joi", but we should unify all tag= s to work the same way.
=C2=A0

> I think it might also make sense to analyse tag-connectives as if they= were
> ordinary tags on the second connectand, with the first connectand acti= ng as
> their complement, so:
>
> broda .i [jek tag] bo brode
> -> broda .i [jek] brode [(se} tag] lo nu broda

But if broda doesn't occur, what is {lo nu broda} referring to h= ere?

In that case the co= mplement would have to be "lo nu na broda". So:

broda .i [jek tag] bo= brode
-> broda .i [jek] brode [(se} tag] lo nu xu kau broda

where &quo= t;lo nu xu kau broda" is whichever of "lo nu broda" and &quo= t;lo nu na broda" is true.

<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">mu'o mi'e xorxes

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