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On 25/10/2014 08:36, Zilong Lee wrote:
> I'm a native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different number=20
> scales than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10=20
> thousand, we use another word, namely '=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)' in Chin=
ese, '=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC=20
> (man)' in Korean and '=E4=B8=87'(man) in Japanese(I'm not sure whether it=
=20
> exists in other East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian,=20
> etc.), instead of keeping using thousand. So to a=20
> Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, '17 thousand' sounds very confusing.
>
> If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I think we should have an=20
> equivalent word of 10-thousand. Is it already there? or that it has=20
> never been thought about?

=E6=82=A8=E5=A5=BD!

Lojban numbers are represented with the positional notation=20
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_notation>: in base ten, the ten=20
primary digits {no, pa, re, ci, vo, mu, xa, ze, bi, so} (=3D 0, 1, 2, 3,=20
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) are enough for encoding any positive integer: 10 is=20
{pa no}, 100 is {pa no no}, 1000 is {pa no no no}, and so on. As a=20
result, there is no need for number words such as "hundred", "thousand",=20
"billions" etc.

In Lojban, =E4=B8=87 is expressed as {pa no no no no}, or {pa se gei vo}=20
(1=C3=9710^4, scientific notation).

It is also possible to specify the number base/radix by using the=20
particle {ju'u}, which allows for example to express numbers in base=20
two, base twelve, base sixteen etc.

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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    On 25/10/2014 08:36, Zilong Lee wrote:<br>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:5bf2774f-1cad-4603-8fa5-d4d96f3f3fed@googlegroups.com"
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      <div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:
          'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
          15px; line-height: 21px;">I'm a native Mandarin speaker. In
          East Asia, we have different number scales than the West,
          especially when the number gets bigger than 10 thousand, we
          use another word, namely '=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)' in Chinese, =
'=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC(man)' in
          Korean and '=E4=B8=87'(man) in Japanese(I'm not sure whether it e=
xists
          in other East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian,
          etc.), instead of keeping using thousand. So to a
          Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, '17 thousand' sounds very
          confusing.=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"font-size: 15px; line-height:
          21px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',
          Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">
        <br style=3D"font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px; color: rgb(51,
          51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial,
          sans-serif;">
        <span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica
          Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;
          line-height: 21px;">If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I
          think we should have an equivalent word of 10-thousand. Is it
          already there? or that it has never been thought about?</span><br=
>
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    <br>
    =E6=82=A8=E5=A5=BD!<br>
    <br>
    Lojban numbers are represented with <a
      href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_notation">the
      positional notation</a>: in base ten, the ten primary digits {no,
    pa, re, ci, vo, mu, xa, ze, bi, so} (=3D 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)
    are enough for encoding any positive integer: 10 is {pa no}, 100 is
    {pa no no}, 1000 is {pa no no no}, and so on. As a result, there is
    no need for number words such as "hundred", "thousand", "billions"
    etc.<br>
    <br>
    In Lojban, =E4=B8=87 is expressed as {pa no no no no}, or {pa se gei vo=
}
    (1=C3=9710^4, scientific notation).<br>
    <br>
    It is also possible to specify the number base/radix by using the
    particle {ju'u}, which allows for example to express numbers in base
    two, base twelve, base sixteen etc.<br>
    <br>
    mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o<br>
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