Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:34877) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xi22W-0006k6-Pf for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:10:04 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f189.google.com with SMTP id f15sf229114lbj.26 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oF/pQaZgQJUJs2kippPCKiScQC6GS+Sw+0w02/cQ8rc=; b=TrAGVkV2B1z3AuHk6GWbQ4+OmPB1g0ydtlPR/CyzDx1zm3ezPrlm3IUbo3r8XNy1Rs A2RVwUXyu4S3bV7406F4tzBdqrmtpSo5y3gQ6oZazx8HYsJkhN3hXfHNy+aekTsZsaGR 8510YJv8ue9LBFK72Jj/57X7aXIC01xMz2eXKXbDBVd7gUDbwV5iw796UH+zTs85Awyi CfjlWUSvovyv4xODDQKzqmUtGuTo5cmNVH/eHJYYEh1QO/DvaWpEMt+qX7pOpXkHsloT eYHqHjN7WwLhWu6ufsXJhesI8t/XZ2BJ94Vc+7bcb7ZHeP7ORFMPbHJV0OVVhpMF8HZF 90zA== X-Received: by 10.152.4.226 with SMTP id n2mr64lan.19.1414246189377; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.120.4 with SMTP id ky4ls563805lab.23.gmail; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.21.170 with SMTP id w10mr437052lae.6.1414246188418; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com (mail-wg0-x22a.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dy7si248574wib.0.2014.10.25.07.09.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a; Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id k14so872537wgh.25 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.23.104 with SMTP id l8mr11420338wjf.26.1414246188267; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.103.65 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:09:48 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] {jai jai} and {fai} From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b41cdd0ad404305063fd9af X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b41cdd0ad404305063fd9af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai construction, the other to prevent raising of {ko'a}. (ko'a { <[fai ko'e] VAU>}) I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which deals with raising but how to refer to the inner {jai}? As for more {jai} I guess only the last one deals with the TAG, all the previous {jai} deal with raising. (ko'a { <[fai ko'e] VAU>}) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b41cdd0ad404305063fd9af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai constructi= on, the other to prevent raising of {ko'a}.
(ko'a {<ja= i [jai ri'a broda]> <[fai ko'e] VAU>})

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I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which deals with rai= sing but how to refer to the inner {jai}?

As f= or more {jai} I guess only the last one deals with the TAG, all the previou= s {jai} deal with raising.
(ko'a {<jai [jai (jai ri'a = broda)]> <[fai ko'e] VAU>})

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