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Subject: Re: [lojban] {jai jai} and {fai}
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai construction, the other to
> prevent raising of {ko'a}.
> (ko'a {<jai [jai ri'a broda]> <[fai ko'e] VAU>})
>

You mean _allow_ raising, right? "jai" allows raising an argument from a
subordinate bridi up to the main bridi.

I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which deals with raising but
> how to refer to the inner {jai}?
>

Presumably "fai xi pa". That's how lojban usually deals with this sort of
things.

As for more {jai} I guess only the last one deals with the TAG, all the
> previous {jai} deal with raising.
> (ko'a {<jai [jai (jai ri'a broda)]> <[fai ko'e] VAU>})
>

You could have more than one "jai TAG" as well "ko'a jai ca jai bau jai
ri'a broda".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my=
.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div>I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai construction,=
 the other to prevent raising of {ko&#39;a}.</div><div>(ko&#39;a {&lt;jai [=
jai ri&#39;a broda]&gt; &lt;[fai ko&#39;e] VAU&gt;})<br></div></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>You mean _allow_ raising, right? &quot;jai&quot; =
allows raising an argument from a subordinate bridi up to the main bridi.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div>I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which deals with raising =
but how to refer to the inner {jai}?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>Presumably &quot;fai xi pa&quot;. That&#39;s how lojban usually d=
eals with this sort of things.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As for more {jai} I guess only the last one de=
als with the TAG, all the previous {jai} deal with raising.</div><div>(ko&#=
39;a {&lt;jai [jai (jai ri&#39;a broda)]&gt; &lt;[fai ko&#39;e] VAU&gt;})</=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You could have more than one &qu=
ot;jai TAG&quot; as well &quot;ko&#39;a jai ca jai bau jai ri&#39;a broda&q=
uot;.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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