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Subject: Re: [lojban] {jai jai} and {fai}
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2014-10-25 19:39 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <
> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai construction, the other to
>> prevent raising of {ko'a}.
>> (ko'a {<jai [jai ri'a broda]> <[fai ko'e] VAU>})
>>
>
> You mean _allow_ raising, right? "jai" allows raising an argument from a
> subordinate bridi up to the main bridi.
>
> I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which deals with raising but
>> how to refer to the inner {jai}?
>>
>
> Presumably "fai xi pa". That's how lojban usually deals with this sort of
> things.
>
I wish I could wrap the inner {jai} with something like {ke}.


>
> As for more {jai} I guess only the last one deals with the TAG, all the
>> previous {jai} deal with raising.
>> (ko'a {<jai [jai (jai ri'a broda)]> <[fai ko'e] VAU>})
>>
>
> You could have more than one "jai TAG" as well "ko'a jai ca jai bau jai
> ri'a broda".
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-10-25 19:39 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On=
 Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai construction, the =
other to prevent raising of {ko&#39;a}.</div><div>(ko&#39;a {&lt;jai [jai r=
i&#39;a broda]&gt; &lt;[fai ko&#39;e] VAU&gt;})<br></div></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div></span><div>You mean _allow_ raising, right? &quot;jai&quot=
; allows raising an argument from a subordinate bridi up to the main bridi.=
=C2=A0</div><span class=3D""><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which de=
als with raising but how to refer to the inner {jai}?<br></div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div></span><div>Presumably &quot;fai xi pa&quot;. That=
9;s how lojban usually deals with this sort of things.</div></div></div></d=
iv></blockquote><div>I wish I could wrap the inner {jai} with something lik=
e {ke}.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""><=
div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As for m=
ore {jai} I guess only the last one deals with the TAG, all the previous {j=
ai} deal with raising.</div><div>(ko&#39;a {&lt;jai [jai (jai ri&#39;a brod=
a)]&gt; &lt;[fai ko&#39;e] VAU&gt;})</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div=
></span><div>You could have more than one &quot;jai TAG&quot; as well &quot=
;ko&#39;a jai ca jai bau jai ri&#39;a broda&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div=
>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#88888=
8"><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></font></span></div></div></div><span class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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