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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:54:13 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] {jai jai} and {fai}
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co=
m
> wrote:

>
>
> 2014-10-25 19:39 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <
>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai construction, the other to
>>> prevent raising of {ko'a}.
>>> (ko'a {<jai [jai ri'a broda]> <[fai ko'e] VAU>})
>>>
>>
>> You mean _allow_ raising, right? "jai" allows raising an argument from a
>> subordinate bridi up to the main bridi.
>>
>> I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which deals with raising bu=
t
>>> how to refer to the inner {jai}?
>>>
>>
>> Presumably "fai xi pa". That's how lojban usually deals with this sort o=
f
>> things.
>>
> I wish I could wrap the inner {jai} with something like {ke}.
>

You can: "jai ke jai ri'a broda [ke'e]" is grammatical, although
unnecessary in this simple case.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my=
.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><span class=3D"">2014-10-25 19:39 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjll=
ambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><spa=
n>On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.n=
ame@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div>I need two {jai}, one for creating fai-jai construction, t=
he other to prevent raising of {ko&#39;a}.</div><div>(ko&#39;a {&lt;jai [ja=
i ri&#39;a broda]&gt; &lt;[fai ko&#39;e] VAU&gt;})<br></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div></span><div>You mean _allow_ raising, right? &quot;jai&q=
uot; allows raising an argument from a subordinate bridi up to the main bri=
di.=C2=A0</div><span><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>I can see that fai refers to the outer {jai} which deals with=
 raising but how to refer to the inner {jai}?<br></div></div></blockquote><=
div><br></div></span><div>Presumably &quot;fai xi pa&quot;. That&#39;s how =
lojban usually deals with this sort of things.</div></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote></span><div>I wish I could wrap the inner {jai} with something like=
 {ke}.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You can: &qu=
ot;jai ke jai ri&#39;a broda [ke&#39;e]&quot; is grammatical, although unne=
cessary in this simple case.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xor=
xes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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