Received: from mail-yh0-f60.google.com ([209.85.213.60]:63201) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XiCi2-0004GI-Dd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:33:38 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f60.google.com with SMTP id f73sf589108yha.25 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KNpBctMnkQxu743zvcIsgvjAdbHYTY0KGiHxWv/YJDY=; b=RGFRiJUTTND9ROx+/EVsKin8MYZQo8zzhwyiK7xls9tXy9WL/Aqa+F7y1u2Q1OxqWu AV314QGqQV+WeD/ZM4D8P4Ivg/Re6Fklu3b57PezcDXrjxLZHTH1OZCO/kyd4OszigVA X+dp5cHLLcgowd+4OXwzVgJDlIWhq+IkR6HjvrgSQcey28ImnZCi7AdEoD0R60BuwokY k9JH9KxdcZdmxd/1tiYzIp4SEhg3qTi2MK68AQ/W2RyaafNW15y4YkMllfZEWit9fPf8 AolWCmceQYeiIjqCTkHCdSiUhd3npN4WfCOBC8XPizxYJL0WE0cdieryIjZcr9JRjZWw LtBg== X-Received: by 10.140.84.21 with SMTP id k21mr2457qgd.6.1414287203714; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.43.180 with SMTP id e49ls2165727qga.81.gmail; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.30.133 with SMTP id u5mr10442862qac.8.1414287203419; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.225]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id uv13si950762pab.2.2014.10.25.18.33.23 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.225; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:46201] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 26/04-17418-26F4C445; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 01:33:23 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE76C151A for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 21:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] [oz] cecla3 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 08:04:11 -0400 Message-ID: <4214035.uWHZO0WZ1a@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-37-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <0ec2f4e8-8602-4733-b8b8-28feffb718a3@googlegroups.com> <1723528.qemoWikjz3@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, October 19, 2014 15:46:23 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > it is used as if it had the place structure or renro But it doesn't. As far as I can tell, there are three differences between "cecla" and "renro": *"renro" implies that the means of propulsion is internal to x1, "cecla" doesn't. *"cecla" implies that x2 is detached, "renro" doesn't (see "sezre'o"). *x3 of "cecla" is the means of propulsion, x3 of "renro" is the direction. Would "bikre'o" work? Pierre -- sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.