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[2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2si1801884qcq.2.2014.10.25.22.29.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Oct 2014 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f; Received: by mail-qg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id i50so2661608qgf.6 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.5.199 with SMTP id 7mr15677728qaw.37.1414301377386; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.84.199 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 22:29:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <544B9F7B.4040007@gmail.com> References: <5bf2774f-1cad-4603-8fa5-d4d96f3f3fed@googlegroups.com> <544B9F7B.4040007@gmail.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 01:29:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtsb2piYW5dIERvZXMgTG9qYmFuIGhhdmUgYW4gZXF1aXZhbGVudCBvZiDokKwv?= =?UTF-8?B?66eML+S4hyAoMTAgdGhvdXNhbmQpPw==?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2e4d434760505064cb32e X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2e4d434760505064cb32e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How does {pa se gei vo} mean (1=C3=9710^4, scientific notation)? My listing gives the definition of {gei} as 'exponential order of magnitude/value/base; [b * (c to the a power)]'. Using {gei} and 1=C3=9710^4, a=3D4, b=3D1, c=3D10. How does "se" rearrange = the parts of {gei}? stevo On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ilmen wrote: > On 25/10/2014 08:36, Zilong Lee wrote: > > I'm a native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different number > scales than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10 > thousand, we use another word, namely '=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)' in Chin= ese, '=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC(man)' in > Korean and '=E4=B8=87'(man) in Japanese(I'm not sure whether it exists in= other > East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian, etc.), instead of > keeping using thousand. So to a Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, '17 thousand= ' > sounds very confusing. > > If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I think we should have an > equivalent word of 10-thousand. Is it already there? or that it has never > been thought about? > > > =E6=82=A8=E5=A5=BD! > > Lojban numbers are represented with the positional notation > : in base ten, the ten > primary digits {no, pa, re, ci, vo, mu, xa, ze, bi, so} (=3D 0, 1, 2, 3, = 4, > 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) are enough for encoding any positive integer: 10 is {pa no= }, > 100 is {pa no no}, 1000 is {pa no no no}, and so on. As a result, there i= s > no need for number words such as "hundred", "thousand", "billions" etc. > > In Lojban, =E4=B8=87 is expressed as {pa no no no no}, or {pa se gei vo} = (1=C3=9710^4, > scientific notation). > > It is also possible to specify the number base/radix by using the particl= e > {ju'u}, which allows for example to express numbers in base two, base > twelve, base sixteen etc. > > mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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How does=C2=A0{pa se gei vo} mean (1=C3=9710^4, scientific notati= on)?=C2=A0
My listing gives the definition = of {gei} as 'exponential order = of magnitude/value/base; [b * (c to the a power)]'.=C2=A0
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style>Using {g= ei} and=C2=A01=C3=9710^4, a=3D4, b=3D1, c= =3D10. How does "se" rearrange the parts of {gei}?=C2=A0

stevo

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On Sat, Oct= 25, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> = wrote:
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On 25/10/2014 08:36, Zilong Lee wrote:
I'm a native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different number scales than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10 thousand, we use another word, namely '=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)' in C= hinese, '=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC(man)' in Korean and '=E4=B8=87'(man) in Japanese(I'm not sure = whether it exists in other East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian, etc.), instead of keeping using thousand. So to a Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, '17 thousand' sounds very confusing.=C2=A0

If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I think we should have an equivalent word of 10-thousand. Is it already there? or that it has never been thought about?

=E6=82=A8=E5=A5=BD!

Lojban numbers are represented with the positional notation: in base ten, the ten primary digits {no, pa, re, ci, vo, mu, xa, ze, bi, so} (=3D 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) are enough for encoding any positive integer: 10 is {pa no}, 100 is {pa no no}, 1000 is {pa no no no}, and so on. As a result, there is no need for number words such as "hundred", "thousand&qu= ot;, "billions" etc.

In Lojban, =E4=B8=87 is expressed as {pa no no no no}, or {pa se gei vo= } (1=C3=9710^4, scientific notation).

It is also possible to specify the number base/radix by using the particle {ju'u}, which allows for example to express numbers in bas= e two, base twelve, base sixteen etc.

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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