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2014-10-26 2:05 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

> On Friday, October 24, 2014 23:36:18 Zilong Lee wrote:
> > I'm a native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different number
> > scales than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10
> > thousand, we use another word, namely '=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)' in Ch=
inese, '=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC(man)'
> in
> > Korean and '=E4=B8=87'(man) in Japanese(I'm not sure whether it exists =
in other
> > East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian, etc.), instead of
> > keeping using thousand. So to a Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, '17
> thousand'
> > sounds very confusing.
> >
> > If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I think we should have an
> equivalent
> > word of 10-thousand. Is it already there? or that it has never been
> thought
> > about?
>
> I don't know if any Lojbanist has thought about it, but East Asia is not
> the
> only place where this system has been used. Ancient Greek used the myriad=
ic
> system. Aramaic (and probably also Hebrew, the words are cognate) also us=
ed
> the myriadic system; the number in Revelation 9:16 is =CE=B4=CF=85=CE=BF =
=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=B1=CE=B4=CE=B5=CF=82 =CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=
=CE=B1=CE=B4=CF=89=CE=BD
> (with lots of variations, some dropping "two") in Greek and =D7=AA=D7=A8=
=D7=AA=D7=99=D7=9F =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95 =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95=D7=9F
> (tarteyn rebu rebwan) in Aramaic, both meaning "two myriad myriads". Mode=
rn
> Greek, though, uses =CE=B5=CE=BA=CE=B1=CF=84=CE=BF=CE=BC=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=
=81=CE=B9=CE=BF (hundred myriad) for million and bases the
> words for bigger numbers on that.
>
> Among the six source languages, there's another that uses a different
> system.
> Hindi and other Indic languages have words for ten times the powers of a
> hundred: hazar, lakh, crore, abaj, sankh. A big number is written as
> 4,29,49,67,296.
>

So what roots do we have?
10^2:
Hindi hazar
10^4:
man/van/wan for East Asia,
r?b for Aramaic
miriad for Ancient Greek
Hindi lax
10^6:
Hindi tcrore
10^8:
Hindi abadj
10^10:
Hindi sanx

?
ju'o i determined hindi numbers incorrectly.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-10-26 2:05 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</spa=
n>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Friday, October 2=
4, 2014 23:36:18 Zilong Lee wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;m a native Mandarin speaker. In East Asia, we have different num=
ber<br>
&gt; scales than the West, especially when the number gets bigger than 10<b=
r>
&gt; thousand, we use another word, namely &#39;=E8=90=AC/=E4=B8=87(wan4)&#=
39; in Chinese, &#39;=EB=A7=8C/=E8=90=AC(man)&#39; in<br>
&gt; Korean and &#39;=E4=B8=87&#39;(man) in Japanese(I&#39;m not sure wheth=
er it exists in other<br>
&gt; East Asian languages like Vietnamese and Mongolian, etc.), instead of<=
br>
&gt; keeping using thousand. So to a Chinese/Korean/Japanese ear, &#39;17 t=
housand&#39;<br>
&gt; sounds very confusing.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If Lojban is truly culturally neutral, I think we should have an equiv=
alent<br>
&gt; word of 10-thousand. Is it already there? or that it has never been th=
ought<br>
&gt; about?<br>
<br>
</span>I don&#39;t know if any Lojbanist has thought about it, but East Asi=
a is not the<br>
only place where this system has been used. Ancient Greek used the myriadic=
<br>
system. Aramaic (and probably also Hebrew, the words are cognate) also used=
<br>
the myriadic system; the number in Revelation 9:16 is =CE=B4=CF=85=CE=BF =
=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=B1=CE=B4=CE=B5=CF=82 =CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=CE=B9=
=CE=B1=CE=B4=CF=89=CE=BD<br>
(with lots of variations, some dropping &quot;two&quot;) in Greek and =D7=
=AA=D7=A8=D7=AA=D7=99=D7=9F =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95 =D7=A8=D7=91=D7=95=D7=9F<br>
(tarteyn rebu rebwan) in Aramaic, both meaning &quot;two myriad myriads&quo=
t;. Modern<br>
Greek, though, uses =CE=B5=CE=BA=CE=B1=CF=84=CE=BF=CE=BC=CE=BC=CF=85=CF=81=
=CE=B9=CE=BF (hundred myriad) for million and bases the<br>
words for bigger numbers on that.<br>
<br>
Among the six source languages, there&#39;s another that uses a different s=
ystem.<br>
Hindi and other Indic languages have words for ten times the powers of a<br=
>
hundred: hazar, lakh, crore, abaj, sankh. A big number is written as<br>
4,29,49,67,296.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So what roots do we hav=
e?</div><div>10^2:</div><div>Hindi hazar</div><div>10^4:</div><div>man/van/=
wan for East Asia,</div><div>r?b for Aramaic</div><div>miriad for Ancient G=
reek</div><div>Hindi lax</div><div>10^6:</div><div>Hindi tcrore</div><div>1=
0^8:</div><div>Hindi abadj</div><div>10^10:</div><div>Hindi sanx</div><div>=
<br></div><div>?</div><div>ju&#39;o i determined hindi numbers incorrectly.=
</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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