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Subject: [lojban] Re: tosmabru test: intelligible explanation sought
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I think I understand, now, why I don't understand the CLL description of
the tosmabru test: I don't think it's the correct algorithm.

Here are a few examples where the CLL tosmabru test appears to
malfunction:

 tanru: kalte cilce catni = hunter + wild + authority
 = kat cic y catni
 = ka tcicycatni = deceiver authority

 tanru: kalte cilce cevni = hunter + wild + god
 = kat cic y cei
 = ka tcicycei = deceiver diety

 tanru: kalte cilce cipni = hunter + wild + bird
 = kat cic y cpi
 = ka tcicycpi = deceiver bird-ness

All three of these "lujvo" pass the tosmabru test as laid out on p. 71.
{cc} is not a valid initial consonant pair, so the test passes and
doesn't demand a tosmabru y-hyphen.  The lujvo nevertheless require a
y-hyphen in order to avoid breaking-up:

 katycicycatni

 katycicycei

 katycicycpi

Is my head on backwards, or is the tosmabru test in the CLL just wrong?
At this point, I'm so confused I'm not even sure what the proper form
for a lujvo is.  Does anyone have a formal description (i.e., grammar
rules) for what constitutes a valid lujvo?

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