Received: from mail-oi0-f64.google.com ([209.85.218.64]:56290) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XioYq-0006js-LO for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:37 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f64.google.com with SMTP id v63sf1000275oia.29 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XbYl/V4CnWtj7yjD3UMEA+2f98H545f0F92krBfm3tg=; b=dhGEY+OinZytWlWxOvjV2I/W1aSYjRS3/oIZ3ds1W6yH15WQWKBDfTQgoyWuGVE8aa Qqw+PjOVnydww6I46yUFVRwmarbgXH+Q/QpzN45CC3VhPuZUS0wFnWAZHmPOiYP0MafQ vAa+/4AvhFEL4jCHp7NliVaXIt10W98SgUb27WoFFc5d6wIpWzXE8SPnzzaVl5/c516B N+ewtBz2gb6JUf1bNOWbhgyGdiZrvfEBm6ITvvthDvwe5eouGsfoIbndPeWDWos/XZOL GjiiH95NiXf82fqbvkwN55AW+4xbKvFzH5TRm9kiqFwJxmG+baiX1fKby07hM4i5J9sC zKHw== X-Received: by 10.50.43.233 with SMTP id z9mr253945igl.5.1414432706172; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.30.35 with SMTP id p3ls918453igh.16.canary; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.147.132 with SMTP id tk4mr21858463pab.7.1414432705691; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x22b.google.com (mail-qc0-x22b.google.com. [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lu6si2623957qcb.3.2014.10.27.10.58.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b; Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m20so4247478qcx.30 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.90.113 with SMTP id w104mr33265953qgd.88.1414432705549; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.97.117 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86oasytm4y.fsf@cmarib.ramside> References: <86ppdtmjln.fsf@cmarib.ramside> <86oasytm4y.fsf@cmarib.ramside> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tosmabru test: intelligible explanation sought From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c11b2cf91b8705066b46df X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c11b2cf91b8705066b46df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am confused about the phrase "ignoring the y-hyphen before the X" in the algorithm. If one drops this phrase from the algorithm, then in the trial word {katcicycatni} that arises in stage 5, the only joint is {tc}, which is a valid initial, so an {y} hyphen is inserted and the correct word without tosmabru failure is {katycicycatni}. The same applies to your other examples. Can anyone comment on this phrase? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c11b2cf91b8705066b46df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am confused about the phrase "ignoring the y-hyphen= before the X" in the algorithm. If one drops this phrase from the alg= orithm, then in the trial word {katcicycatni} that arises in stage 5, the o= nly joint is {tc}, which is a valid initial, so an {y} hyphen is inserted a= nd the correct word without tosmabru failure is {katycicycatni}. The same a= pplies to your other examples.

Can anyone comment on this phrase?

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