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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 18:38:08 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tosmabru test: intelligible explanation sought
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am confused about the phrase "ignoring the y-hyphen before the X" in the
> algorithm. If one drops this phrase from the algorithm, then in the trial
> word {katcicycatni} that arises in stage 5, the only joint is {tc}, which
> is a valid initial, so an {y} hyphen is inserted and the correct word
> without tosmabru failure is {katycicycatni}. The same applies to your other
> examples.
>
> Can anyone comment on this phrase?
>

The phrase doesn't make much sense, because by the definition of "the X"
there are never any y-hyphens before the X. The portion before the X is a
string of CVC's that did not require any y to be inserted between them.

Interestingly, the phrase is not there in the online version:
http://lojban.github.io/cll/4/11/

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I am confuse=
d about the phrase &quot;ignoring the y-hyphen before the X&quot; in the al=
gorithm. If one drops this phrase from the algorithm, then in the trial wor=
d {katcicycatni} that arises in stage 5, the only joint is {tc}, which is a=
 valid initial, so an {y} hyphen is inserted and the correct word without t=
osmabru failure is {katycicycatni}. The same applies to your other examples=
.<br><br>Can anyone comment on this phrase?</div></blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>The phrase doesn&#39;t make much sense, because by the definition of=
 &quot;the X&quot; there are never any y-hyphens before the X. The portion =
before the X is a string of CVC&#39;s that did not require any y to be inse=
rted between them.</div><div><br></div><div>Interestingly, the phrase is no=
t there in the online version: <a href=3D"http://lojban.github.io/cll/4/11/=
">http://lojban.github.io/cll/4/11/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39=
;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div></div></div></div>

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