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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's Biggest Problem or Why Still Nobody Speaks It
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2014-11-02 21:23 GMT+03:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:51:26 PM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote:
>>
>> Simply put, there aren't enough words, and the few words that exist do
>> not enable us to make nuanced descriptions of the world.
>>
>>
> One the big advantages of natural language is connotation --they can use
> the same (short) word for different meanings.  e.g. a `bus` for
> transporting people vs a `bus` for transporting data in computer hardware.
> There is a related concept between the two, but they are very different
> things. Lojban doesn't seem to work well for creating a single word for
> such disparate things. (maybe it could but people tend not to?)
>
yes, it's people that dont tend to or just dont realize that the two
concepts forma continuum, not a polysemy. so you are free to create as many
such words as you need/want.


>
> It also kind of shame that there isn't a way to speak in abbreviated
> forms, e.g. if their were a two part word "vehicle-bus" and another
> "computer-bus", we could just use "bus" once we set forth the context as
> "vehicle" or "computer".
>

well, here we should think of the place structure of "bus" to fill it once
and then refer to what we defined by just using unfilled brivla.

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te">2014-11-02 21:23 GMT+03:00 TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
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ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Simply put, there aren&#39;t enough words, =
and the few words that exist do=20
<br>not enable us to make nuanced descriptions of the world.
<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>One the big advantages of n=
atural language is connotation --they can use the same (short) word for dif=
ferent meanings. =C2=A0e.g. a `bus` for transporting people vs a `bus` for =
transporting data in computer hardware. There is a related concept between =
the two, but they are very different things. Lojban doesn&#39;t seem to wor=
k well for creating a single word for such disparate things. (maybe it coul=
d but people tend not to?)</div></div></blockquote><div>yes, it&#39;s peopl=
e that dont tend to or just dont realize that the two concepts forma contin=
uum, not a polysemy. so you are free to create as many such words as you ne=
ed/want.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><br></div><div>It also kind of shame that there isn&#39;t a way to=
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le-bus&quot; and another &quot;computer-bus&quot;, we could just use &quot;=
bus&quot; once we set forth the context as &quot;vehicle&quot; or &quot;com=
puter&quot;.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>well, here we shou=
ld think of the place structure of &quot;bus&quot; to fill it once and then=
 refer to what we defined by just using unfilled brivla.=C2=A0</div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div></div><div class=3D=
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