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From: Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 10:11:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's Biggest Problem or Why Still Nobody Speaks It
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On 2 November 2014 13:23, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:51:26 PM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote:
>>
>> Simply put, there aren't enough words, and the few words that exist do
>> not enable us to make nuanced descriptions of the world.
>>
>>
> One the big advantages of natural language is connotation --they can use
> the same (short) word for different meanings.  e.g. a `bus` for
> transporting people vs a `bus` for transporting data in computer hardware.
> There is a related concept between the two, but they are very different
> things. Lojban doesn't seem to work well for creating a single word for
> such disparate things. (maybe it could but people tend not to?)
>
> It also kind of shame that there isn't a way to speak in abbreviated
> forms, e.g. if their were a two part word "vehicle-bus" and another
> "computer-bus", we could just use "bus" once we set forth the context as
> "vehicle" or "computer".
>

I had thought of a system to achieve this with type-3 and contextual type-4
fu'ivla. The idea is that each type-3 fu'ivla would suggest a (shorter)
contextual type-4 fu'ivla to use in its place.

e.g. zuktriorlo = x1 does x2 (ka) because YOLO |>>> suggests {iorlo} as a
type-4 to use in its place when the context is clear.

Typically, the suggested type-4 can be constructed by pulling off the
type-3 head, and injecting a consonant if necessary to make a cluster.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On 2 November 2014 13:23, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
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ay, October 26, 2014 1:51:26 PM UTC-4, selpa&#39;i wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">Simply put, there aren&#39;t enough words, and the f=
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<br>not enable us to make nuanced descriptions of the world.
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atural language is connotation --they can use the same (short) word for dif=
ferent meanings. =C2=A0e.g. a `bus` for transporting people vs a `bus` for =
transporting data in computer hardware. There is a related concept between =
the two, but they are very different things. Lojban doesn&#39;t seem to wor=
k well for creating a single word for such disparate things. (maybe it coul=
d but people tend not to?)</div><div><br></div><div>It also kind of shame t=
hat there isn&#39;t a way to speak in abbreviated forms, e.g. if their were=
 a two part word &quot;vehicle-bus&quot; and another &quot;computer-bus&quo=
t;, we could just use &quot;bus&quot; once we set forth the context as &quo=
t;vehicle&quot; or &quot;computer&quot;.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>I=
 had thought of a system to achieve this with type-3 and contextual type-4 =
fu&#39;ivla. The idea is that each type-3 fu&#39;ivla would suggest a (shor=
ter) contextual type-4 fu&#39;ivla to use in its place.<br><br>e.g. zuktrio=
rlo =3D x1 does x2 (ka) because YOLO |&gt;&gt;&gt; suggests {iorlo} as a ty=
pe-4 to use in its place when the context is clear.<br><br>Typically, the s=
uggested type-4 can be constructed by pulling off the type-3 head, and inje=
cting a consonant if necessary to make a cluster.<br><br>.i mi&#39;e la tsa=
ni mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div>

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