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On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:26:12 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:
>
> just for the record. some stats.
> we take irc logs, only sentences in lojban.
> we count the number of words with a given letter multiplied by their 
> frequency divided by the number*frequency of all words. If the same letter 
> occurs more than once in a word we count it as a singular occurrence. We 
> limit ourselves only to the first 3000 most frequent words.
>
> we get:
> [x]  - found in 2.7% of all spoken in IRC logs words
> ['] - 16.8%
> [c] - 13.9%
> [cx'] - 31.75% (at least one of those letters in each word)
> [x'] - 19.47% (at least one of those letters in each word)
> [cx] followed by a consonant - 2.11%
>
> to'u one of three words contains at least one of the three letters: ['] or 
> [x] or [c].
>

So what can be done about it?  I think it's clear that there are too many 
"static noise" sounds in the language. And as a logical language there is 
no reason that it has to rank so low in sound quality (one need only look 
at online polls to see that Chinese, which has similar qualities, never 
ranks well).


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:26:12 PM UTC-5, la =
gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-lef=
t: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">j=
ust for the record. some stats.<div>we take irc logs, only sentences in loj=
ban.</div><div>we count the number of words with a given letter multiplied =
by their frequency divided by the number*frequency of all words. If the sam=
e letter occurs more than once in a word we count it as a singular occurren=
ce. We limit ourselves only to the first 3000 most frequent words.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>we get:</div><div>[x] &nbsp;- found in 2.7% of all spoken =
in IRC logs words</div><div>['] - 16.8%</div><div>[c] - 13.9%</div><div>[cx=
'] - 31.75% (at least one of those letters in each word)</div><div>[x'] - 1=
9.47% (at least one of those letters in each word)<br>[cx] followed by a co=
nsonant - 2.11%</div><div><br></div><div>to'u one of three words contains a=
t least one of the three letters: ['] or [x] or [c].</div></div></blockquot=
e><div><br></div><div>So what can be done about it? &nbsp;I think it's clea=
r that there are too many "static noise" sounds in the language. And as a l=
ogical language there is no reason that it has to rank so low in sound qual=
ity (one need only look at online polls to see that Chinese, which has simi=
lar qualities, never ranks well).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div></div>

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