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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ed6si273674wib.3.2014.11.08.06.31.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d; Received: by mail-wi0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id n3so6938406wiv.6 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:31:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.187.234 with SMTP id fv10mr14875079wic.25.1415457108402; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.103.65 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 06:31:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 17:31:48 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: se klani be lo kafkylerfu From: Gleki Arxokuna To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3848e242938050759ca94 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c3848e242938050759ca94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-11-08 17:15 GMT+03:00 TR NS : > > > On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:26:12 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >> >> just for the record. some stats. >> we take irc logs, only sentences in lojban. >> we count the number of words with a given letter multiplied by their >> frequency divided by the number*frequency of all words. If the same letter >> occurs more than once in a word we count it as a singular occurrence. We >> limit ourselves only to the first 3000 most frequent words. >> >> we get: >> [x] - found in 2.7% of all spoken in IRC logs words >> ['] - 16.8% >> [c] - 13.9% >> [cx'] - 31.75% (at least one of those letters in each word) >> [x'] - 19.47% (at least one of those letters in each word) >> [cx] followed by a consonant - 2.11% >> >> to'u one of three words contains at least one of the three letters: ['] >> or [x] or [c]. >> > > So what can be done about it? I think it's clear that there are too many > "static noise" sounds in the language. And as a logical language there is > no reason that it has to rank so low in sound quality (one need only look > at online polls to see that Chinese, which has similar qualities, never > ranks well). > What? Impossible. Mandarin has two levels of fighting statis noise: tones and the rest part of the sound system that to some degree overlap. 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2014-11-08 17:15 GMT+03:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>= :


On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:26:12 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:
just for the record. s= ome stats.
we take irc logs, only sentences in lojban.
we cou= nt the number of words with a given letter multiplied by their frequency di= vided by the number*frequency of all words. If the same letter occurs more = than once in a word we count it as a singular occurrence. We limit ourselve= s only to the first 3000 most frequent words.

we g= et:
[x] =C2=A0- found in 2.7% of all spoken in IRC logs words
['] - 16.8%
[c] - 13.9%
[cx'] - 31.75% (= at least one of those letters in each word)
[x'] - 19.47% (at= least one of those letters in each word)
[cx] followed by a consonant -= 2.11%

to'u one of three words contains at lea= st one of the three letters: ['] or [x] or [c].

So what can be done about it?=C2=A0 I thin= k it's clear that there are too many "static noise" sounds in= the language. And as a logical language there is no reason that it has to = rank so low in sound quality (one need only look at online polls to see tha= t Chinese, which has similar qualities, never ranks well).

What? Impossible. Mandarin has two levels of fi= ghting statis noise: tones and the rest part of the sound system that to so= me degree overlap.

May be there is something wrong= with the noise chosen so that other languages win?
What about Po= rtuguese?



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