Received: from mail-wi0-f183.google.com ([209.85.212.183]:62936) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xn7Bd-0006Jm-4L for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:25 -0800 Received: by mail-wi0-f183.google.com with SMTP id hi2sf424583wib.10 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LWJwZlNLWrh7yhbUazO1osKB2kqV8MyawalBChdpdWk=; b=S481yIyNcW5OYXQunp4ZqwPUUAj9aLFxN9Csa6kP7KqSvXPFeOPkA3lo6vfpY6GXMB orKJvXppqciiZDAtPqD5lXxmPKBg78SbZHQH8gFCJTCbcuwIe4XM+5uEkPfhkXTqXvN1 iOdFzMTwMhsoFssOyjMxk/6CNvnuDcG7y28YmDOwPIxkEFNDtJbrdH1fYIVM2dpp/p2g hyGeps2sHdhrdijV8UhCSYS5p6MeC9y2gyJ11A9mdY2+Kw0dLYW5bzd9WiSnkaetBa1J 3UhIlpMtHhivKZFved1icvchvONObPahOuqgAnk7/dxWtMyIuxWk+HoDrDw7GjCLHrHv 0h9A== X-Received: by 10.180.211.239 with SMTP id nf15mr44999wic.0.1415457614424; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.181.11.196 with SMTP id ek4ls556358wid.37.gmail; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.206.10 with SMTP id lk10mr3126227wjc.3.1415457614051; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ed6si274365wib.3.2014.11.08.06.40.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f; Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ex7so6911468wid.8 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.187.77 with SMTP id fq13mr27069382wjc.14.1415457613929; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 06:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.105.201 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 06:40:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20141022002214.GD25753@gonzales> <20141022230855.GG2128@gonzales> <20141028022945.GA6097@gonzales> <20141030013306.GO4023@gonzales> <20141104010958.GA27496@gonzales> <20141105035457.GA7768@gonzales> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 11:40:13 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb03afa45f6f5050759e822 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb03afa45f6f5050759e822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > In {mi nelci ko'a ne semau ko'e} isn't {ne semau} always expanded into > {noi ke'a no'a semau ko'e}? > It's more like: "noi ke'a zmadu ko'e lo ka no'a xi pa". Yes, of course, that's what I meant. Change "lo nu broda" to "la'e di'u" if >> you prefer, or a more precise reference to the event described by the first >> "broda". >> > > isnt' la'edi'u refer to the previous utterance, not to the immediately > preceding main clause? > Yes, that's why I said "or a more precise reference". What counts as an utterance is not precisely delimited, but in these simple examples, the only available candidate is the preceding clause. In general that wouldn't work. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bb03afa45f6f5050759e822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.n= ame@gmail.com> wrote:

In {mi nelci ko'a ne semau ko'e}= isn't {ne semau} always expanded into {noi ke'a no'a semau ko&= #39;e}?

It's mo= re like: "noi ke'a zmadu ko'e lo ka no'a xi pa".

Yes, of course, that's what I meant. Change "lo = nu broda" to "la'e di'u" if you prefer, or a more pr= ecise reference to the event described by the first "broda".

isnt' la'= ;edi'u refer to the previous utterance, not to the immediately precedin= g main clause?=C2=A0

Yes, that's why I said "or a more precise reference". What = counts as an utterance is not precisely delimited, but in these simple exam= ples, the only available candidate is the preceding clause. In general that= wouldn't work.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
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