Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:41179) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XnDEJ-0000dl-Sj for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:36 -0800 Received: by mail-lb0-f189.google.com with SMTP id f15sf450010lbj.16 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ONAy4iMyqsFahCWj1N7usfKmeUpcj7Pl2HoWGH8VPDU=; b=YXaDEYLuJZeJoEqDA82at/8g4wIpEN7qnH9mo+pFD01n3VzNQAb463hQuC+dk3YXhk 2uyy7g6Fb4u2PZPEmAnQAaxyAdc4kmoEeXfsjGrSe58Qt2cNdwEqgLT1ZeW6HgfqfzXX Qz4uwK1AEttxk6kOljPpjNDya5ujEgJdEigejwcdulhIt+OXRJq6yAJDsGFJPEmoeN4l 7DGotsQL8PAmjoSlMtQybehDFkD23o0GYjZpbgdE0Ag7ImGgVX7czUezy6GwhkCntNhq s/tu1FyOxuHeRx132gubzpxVC9tiu9Uj84b41cyWXYAJP8e01eyW9QhwdlauTsig8yis CDEg== X-Received: by 10.180.106.195 with SMTP id gw3mr54094wib.19.1415480844978; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.206.17 with SMTP id lk17ls724724wic.45.gmail; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.133.40 with SMTP id oz8mr3399698wjb.2.1415480844467; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com (mail-wg0-x235.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l4si328989wif.2.2014.11.08.13.07.24 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::235; Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b13so6102829wgh.40 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.59.81 with SMTP id x17mr27962849wjq.91.1415480844371; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.105.201 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 13:07:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141108171532.GB10866@gonzales> References: <20141028022945.GA6097@gonzales> <20141030013306.GO4023@gonzales> <20141104010958.GA27496@gonzales> <20141105035457.GA7768@gonzales> <20141108171532.GB10866@gonzales> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 18:07:24 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba979d2ea4be805075f5098 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7ba979d2ea4be805075f5098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > * Saturday, 2014-11-08 at 11:40 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas < > jjllambias@gmail.com>: > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > In {mi nelci ko'a ne semau ko'e} isn't {ne semau} always expanded int= o > > > {noi ke'a no'a semau ko'e}? > > > > It's more like: "noi ke'a zmadu ko'e lo ka no'a xi pa". > > Such rules involving {no'a} don't work for most BAI, though, so either > this is part of the definition of {mau} or (I think preferably) it's > just an obvious devaguing of {noi ke'a co'e se mau ko'e}. > I agree, yes. I'd say the latter. We can concoct contrived examples where "ko'a" is the property zmadu3 rather than the zmadu1 that ko'e is being compared with. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7ba979d2ea4be805075f5098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> = wrote:
* Saturday, 2014-11-08 at 11:40 -0= 300 - Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjlla= mbias@gmail.com>:

> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > In {mi nelci ko'a ne semau ko'e} isn't {ne semau} alw= ays expanded into
> > {noi ke'a no'a semau ko'e}?
>
> It's more like: "noi ke'a zmadu ko'e lo ka no'a x= i pa".

Such rules involving {no'a} don't work for most BAI, though,= so either
this is part of the definition of {mau} or (I think preferably) it's just an obvious devaguing of {noi ke'a co'e se mau ko'e}.

I agree, yes. I'= ;d say the latter. We can concoct contrived examples where "ko'a&q= uot; is the property zmadu3 rather than the zmadu1 that ko'e is being c= ompared with.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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