Received: from mail-vc0-f190.google.com ([209.85.220.190]:40566) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XnKDC-0002Pc-G2 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:34:58 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f190.google.com with SMTP id hy4sf790401vcb.17 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:34:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LtW5rPf6kx4yBAwzqW9BuqQMhqglDcwHrcb8N3rh1QU=; b=VIJlJtZtG8DG9EIBQEICUDpLSxwesk+pO45gE0ZT8ymlmPaIzPoT/KZgpyhVaGp6BJ abfkuiqcHrbC0MsxGDgMUGwvS4a/pJg2xNxd5kps4eqf28MOBvBXo0nEU5yg+7GrlD0p /ku/gRtw3G8GlAxicee10SdSPQPZooHyreiHetk9A5s50i060BUtgZ5hlRK+GhCDcf3O SY8s51jg1b91e/WBMy5nm0gWe6QPLqik20lKwnLBVKGMQroBB5bfKAG8UPAEEHRAE+M+ qHLcsiyqQ3LjfW4I8hkGgb5YSVRD8MmBgcbYLx+aQ0HtGNR9g03k8e+yiRxHVcwQrN9t Djpw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LtW5rPf6kx4yBAwzqW9BuqQMhqglDcwHrcb8N3rh1QU=; b=T61GLY4MrP4YqGK7uXaZ2Kkt1crFtyodv4+E/5fx0cK7ipcDsVjjPw+xnWvmpyCsnn scESf1ij7avrhWIBkpxj/mS/WXHi63P2QMLIBD2yrFow/WkxGeSRi87EP6CBdnq3Jlv4 vANmpEU5YCQ+UQr9m8zUvJGnEufcMZDQq1SFjmpaRs+y0NUH79CkOOFMTwfm9H25jsEZ kdRBZv9MxZI0QE8SbBFKkIJgIfcqQSMqbOC7nZIb2njWDn7R/gfJS42nt6xf6ZvCGwSf jeGs+6rYDqFQ/oWRgSstQG0NtUFWreH8NkTm6hzYQUyHRmSxsBJTZAw/br/X5eLcGv+P MA5Q== X-Received: by 10.140.93.106 with SMTP id c97mr44qge.41.1415507683848; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.16.199 with SMTP id 65ls1445812qgb.67.gmail; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.20.108 with SMTP id 99mr284qgi.15.1415507683465; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:34:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:34:43 -0800 (PST) From: karis To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3ba6753d-105d-4717-bc28-70d2e643aa38@googlegroups.com> References: <544D34B1.7000000@gmx.de> <20141026183320.GD13145@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <3ba6753d-105d-4717-bc28-70d2e643aa38@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban's Biggest Problem or Why Still Nobody Speaks It MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: comcaresvcs@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- I'm sorry everyone, but I disagree that Lojban needs us to every increase t= he vocabulary. One of the highlights of the language its the small vocabula= ry and the fact that you can express anything as precisely or imprecisely a= s you want. Nothing says that every idea has to be a single short word. Thi= s certainly isn't the case in English. Why must Lojban have a single short = word for traffic light when English doesn't? If it was so hard to express e= motions and many other things in Lojban than how could there be beautiful p= oetry other literature written in or translated into it using just the basi= c vocabulary and rafsi? Look up the writings of Athlestan and various other= materials from the 1990s. I even translated a poem I wrote in High School = into it without anything but gismu. Not everything needs to be in the short= est form. If it did we would all use, "sad, mad,and glad" rather than "exci= ted, overjoyed, pleased, frustrated, angry, furious, tearful, miserable, or= down in the dumps."=20 .karis. (Karen Stein) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.