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Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban's Biggest Problem or Why Still Nobody Speaks It
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I think there can be no single point of view here. If a person needs a
single word then 'ey adds it. Since many people want immediate solutions
then we must provide them either by placing them to tatoeba.org or to
jbovlaste.

tatoeba.org is better since you can add any sentence there even if you dont
need a single brivla for "traffic lights".


2014-11-09 7:34 GMT+03:00 karis <comcaresvcs@gmail.com>:

> I'm sorry everyone, but I disagree that Lojban needs us to every increase
> the vocabulary. One of the highlights of the language its the small
> vocabulary and the fact that you can express anything as precisely or
> imprecisely as you want. Nothing says that every idea has to be a single
> short word. This certainly isn't the case in English. Why must Lojban have
> a single short word for traffic light when English doesn't? If it was so
> hard to express emotions and many other things in Lojban than how could
> there be beautiful poetry other literature written in or translated into it
> using just the basic vocabulary and rafsi? Look up the writings of
> Athlestan and various other materials from the 1990s. I even translated a
> poem I wrote in High School into it without anything but gismu. Not
> everything needs to be in the shortest form. If it did we would all use,
> "sad, mad,and glad" rather than "excited, overjoyed, pleased, frustrated,
> angry, furious, tearful, miserable, or down in the dumps."
>
> .karis. (Karen Stein)
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think there can be no single point of view here. If a pe=
rson needs a single word then &#39;ey adds it. Since many people want immed=
iate solutions then we must provide them either by placing them to <a href=
=3D"http://tatoeba.org">tatoeba.org</a> or to jbovlaste.<div><br></div><div=
><a href=3D"http://tatoeba.org">tatoeba.org</a> is better since you can add=
 any sentence there even if you dont need a single brivla for &quot;traffic=
 lights&quot;.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-11-09 7:34 GMT+03:00 karis <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:comcaresvcs@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">comcaresvcs@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;m sorry ev=
eryone, but I disagree that Lojban needs us to every increase the vocabular=
y. One of the highlights of the language its the small vocabulary and the f=
act that you can express anything as precisely or imprecisely as you want. =
Nothing says that every idea has to be a single short word. This certainly =
isn&#39;t the case in English. Why must Lojban have a single short word for=
 traffic light when English doesn&#39;t? If it was so hard to express emoti=
ons and many other things in Lojban than how could there be beautiful poetr=
y other literature written in or translated into it using just the basic vo=
cabulary and rafsi? Look up the writings of Athlestan and various other mat=
erials from the 1990s. I even translated a poem I wrote in High School into=
 it without anything but gismu. Not everything needs to be in the shortest =
form. If it did we would all use, &quot;sad, mad,and glad&quot; rather than=
 &quot;excited, overjoyed, pleased, frustrated, angry, furious, tearful, mi=
serable, or down in the dumps.&quot;<br>
<br>
.karis. (Karen Stein)<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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