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[192.94.73.24]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nn11si1747523pdb.2.2014.11.09.07.00.46 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Nov 2014 07:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=192.94.73.24; Received: from thegonz.net (d24-141-9-29.home.cgocable.net [24.141.9.29]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sA9F0hif006693 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 15:00:44 GMT Received: from martin by thegonz.net with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XnTxs-0002aC-PI for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 09:59:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 09:59:40 -0500 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 Message-ID: <20141109145940.GA8588@gonzales> References: <20141106232818.GB1433@gonzales> <20141108030052.GC8542@gonzales> <20141108171036.GA10866@gonzales> <20141108220257.GA31242@gonzales> <20141108232204.GB31242@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: fonxa User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Sunday, 2014-11-09 at 09:59 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >=20 > > * Saturday, 2014-11-08 at 19:45 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas < > > jjllambias@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > ca ro nu mi xagji kei ko'a fasnu > > > > > ,i ko'a nu ge ko'e fasnu gi ko'i fasnu > > > > > ;i ko'i nu ko'o balvi ko'e > > > > > .i ko'e nu mi klama lo zarci > > > > > .i ko'o nu mi klama lo zdani > > > > > > > > OK... now I have to ask what {ko'o balvi ko'e} means! > > > > > > > > I expect it to be time-independent - if it holds at some time, then= it > > > > holds at all times. But then your expansion doesn't have the intend= ed > > > > meaning. > > > > > > Must "ko'o balvi ko'e" be time-independent? Can't an event happen > > sometimes > > > before and sometimes after another? That would seem to be a requireme= nt > > > only for one-instance events. > > > > I don't understand. Could you explain in this example at what times > > {ko'o balvi ko'e} would hold? >=20 > The claim is that it holds each time I'm hungry. I mean, can you explain it in terms of ko'o and ko'e. Martin --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRfgVwACgkQULC7OLX7LNZlLACfTyXEGnSpwRyFI4BVGYB8vtkq PFIAoID36CDXHDPnKahMl9uf9HYbxaS+ =hpRl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5--