Received: from mail-wg0-f62.google.com ([74.125.82.62]:63694) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XnVcD-0006Pp-1q for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:29 -0800 Received: by mail-wg0-f62.google.com with SMTP id x13sf498081wgg.7 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CBUG5f6rPFv80jGA3m8V+I9UlpB2at41cgLYMBcHx6E=; b=aMq7OTDie4bVswH8xK8iGmNEjycKJQQB7aoPZIPRm6ooNWIpOeMN4OS55IVUvLAWI0 Ubb7sFp/+t2+9PohNeJtgFFubOgyoeefHk4qzXoWKe146lLucNPakrcvyBKH2+GQHCuq w5YO0GzXV6hoYNo/CjmS0W7GUBDZp490s//uLMj3U/Aa4UppOoPZyz03+JLxEepwK783 kHo80tixJrw59DQNq0X6Jo++InHRuoVRZjChZfbNIuvKknzGUD26irnkcjfRRpszHvzU GgOU02laiqBA2hij21MPUNoR87ScT3FyFOu6/4PwG95TLNds0G3hNcPSBC67/UCHflql zMuQ== X-Received: by 10.152.7.143 with SMTP id j15mr341779laa.0.1415551518560; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.205.6 with SMTP id lc6ls354227lac.11.gmail; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.89.195 with SMTP id bq3mr587254lbb.9.1415551517624; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com (mail-wg0-x22d.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ta1si444154wic.0.2014.11.09.08.45.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d; Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id x12so7172150wgg.18 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.104.229 with SMTP id gh5mr1604138wib.12.1415551517523; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.105.201 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141109161417.GE8588@gonzales> References: <20141108171036.GA10866@gonzales> <20141108220257.GA31242@gonzales> <20141108232204.GB31242@gonzales> <20141109145940.GA8588@gonzales> <20141109154145.GC8588@gonzales> <20141109161417.GE8588@gonzales> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 13:45:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428d185d06f905076fc550 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d04428d185d06f905076fc550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > But maybe with this analogy I see what you're getting at. Is it that: > considering {lo nu broda cu balvi lo nu brode} where the {lo} are taken > to get kinds, > to determine whether this is true at time t, > you look for instances of the kinds, i.e. actual events, somewhere near > time t, and somehow pick out a pair (e1,e2), > and finally return the truth value of balvi(e1,e2) > (which since e1 and e2 are now actual events, doesn't depend on t) > ? > Is that what you mean? So kind of hiding the quantificational structure > by delegating it to a semantics of kinds? > Sounds about right. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --f46d04428d185d06f905076fc550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wr= ote:

But maybe with this analogy I see what you're getting at. Is it that: considering {lo nu broda cu balvi lo nu brode} where the {lo} are taken
to get kinds,
to determine whether this is true at time t,
you look for instances of the kinds, i.e. actual events, somewhere near
time t, and somehow pick out a pair (e1,e2),
and finally return the truth value of balvi(e1,e2)
(which since e1 and e2 are now actual events, doesn't depend on t)
?=C2=A0

Is that what you mean? So kind of hiding the quantificational structure
by delegating it to a semantics of kinds?

Sounds about right.=C2=A0

mu'o mi'e xor= xes

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