Received: from mail-la0-f59.google.com ([209.85.215.59]:53755) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xnia2-0003r2-DQ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:36:09 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f59.google.com with SMTP id gf13sf718129lab.4 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:35:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=A5+8IO3cXPYVyTb4tWdqQqVdpR1PKiVp8542XV/tGB4=; b=e63ZgUz3jDe0NiJg7Oq3fvcUusLHCTn7w8zrqH9ygigrn87722dij8SWCvh0rN5fsa VwNqD7e+yGc3kqrHKsSLzkOwLIaY2rCREFaFbJuIC04wsdcfwO9sQmWpbJpg0ZWVMwFX Q9pNllPWd74H8f4gr9tp7EDhjStP4e2g7niQpoWLjo9rw9VNVbfDjGtPL1MKPs5UYvG5 hgx0+dZuQzCAetaqKqkaEfAK6DHQ8ol9yDLaUXB1UJGRxzd8rOMNxJ5uBmcoYhw52QGd +U5Yysc/KgaoLN7NxrXnCZlL37W/6YZdipAEjlgm+rsmwRfP/CO+wAVVi0fdJ5It/yw0 gJUQ== X-Received: by 10.180.12.180 with SMTP id z20mr71858wib.15.1415601355385; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:35:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.80.103 with SMTP id q7ls1789720wix.32.canary; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.191.137 with SMTP id gy9mr4973113wjc.0.1415601354444; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p14si522114wie.1.2014.11.09.22.35.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a; Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r20so8992686wiv.3 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.206.106 with SMTP id ln10mr39659877wjc.90.1415601354352; Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.103.65 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 22:35:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <111f4a53-a184-4d84-879e-5cad6d3f1a53@googlegroups.com> References: <544D34B1.7000000@gmx.de> <20141026183320.GD13145@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <3ba6753d-105d-4717-bc28-70d2e643aa38@googlegroups.com> <111f4a53-a184-4d84-879e-5cad6d3f1a53@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:35:54 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban's Biggest Problem or Why Still Nobody Speaks It From: Gleki Arxokuna To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b874afedeb0ad05077b5fba X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b874afedeb0ad05077b5fba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 "traffic lights" is one single concept in English, not just a combination of two words. Even in dictionaries it is usually shown in a separate node. 2014-11-10 0:46 GMT+03:00 TR NS : > > > On Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:54:55 PM UTC-5, stevo wrote: >> >> Or at least a specific phrase that means 'traffic light', just as English >> uses not a single word, but a phrase. >> >> > Maybe that's the kind of construct Lojban needs --a way to use two (or > more) words together that have a specific (gestalt?) meaning rather then a > metaphorical one. Yet I don't see how the grammar would allow it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b874afedeb0ad05077b5fba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"traffic lights" is one single concept in Englis= h, not just a combination of two words. Even in dictionaries it is usually = shown in a separate node.

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On Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:54:55 PM UTC-5, stevo wrote:
Or at least a specific phrase that means '= traffic light', just as English uses not a single word, but a phrase.= =C2=A0

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Maybe that's the kind of co= nstruct Lojban needs --a way to use two (or more) words together that have = a specific (gestalt?) meaning rather then a metaphorical one. Yet I don'= ;t see how the grammar would allow it.

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