Received: from mail-ee0-f60.google.com ([74.125.83.60]:32976) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xnohu-0008Vt-3z for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:39 -0800 Received: by mail-ee0-f60.google.com with SMTP id d17sf817845eek.25 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QEg+M2byiadQNkIMzU4AIK5NShtnY+Qcl8eO6HGv9mM=; b=WSUdHEbPGTO8mTFZ2q7GYQOHj8/CK0PUTey7AKqZ32ag3Ou12hph57JAwlzcAD65rX lfY+pOT4OjM1v/Imz8Y7fXsySP4zQMJlBtrSSC36GrYbyXotyT5oTyomUtTacncCpQrC vtd+eM/GbZ4nIq06XiXX6tYRRXlHGSjxIKZGlPzMTV+GfEcUGRn8gViwxaFpYfI/N+cn 5t6CpAAXRwd1yWAhYWVoEsPdUawPiEIvFfCC6U0eXIpG61sMSYZrLLzw9CHiBS81/TIO Z94MD0IKWMRl/93tUZoPq+fGqrXfKuzKn3Pfp1Wdv9upp3r3LwNO39hecPyCwOwZ6PKn JXiQ== X-Received: by 10.152.120.227 with SMTP id lf3mr16094lab.9.1415624907286; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.205.6 with SMTP id lc6ls426314lac.11.gmail; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.180.71 with SMTP id dm7mr179826lbc.18.1415624906188; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x244.google.com (mail-wg0-x244.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c00::244]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ta1si582853wic.0.2014.11.10.05.08.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::244; Received: by mail-wg0-f68.google.com with SMTP id x13so2375332wgg.3 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.206.106 with SMTP id ln10mr42614374wjc.90.1415624902212; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.103.65 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:08:22 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: se klani be lo kafkylerfu From: Gleki Arxokuna To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b874afe6e81c2050780db2f X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b874afe6e81c2050780db2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-11-10 15:47 GMT+03:00 la gusek. : > What? Burp letters? > A reference to an old article on the wiki. When did the aesthetically value of consonants [c'x] suddenly become > objectively quantifiable? I did know that some people consider [x] to be > ugly, and some people have difficulties pronouncing it... but [c']? They > are very common internationally and I've honestly never even considered > them as being disliked! > > Too add my *opinion*, I *personally *love all of these letters and > certainly wouldn't in my wildest dreams call them kafkylerfu. Yes, I have a > strong personal taste for the [x] as well, even though the natlangs I speak > lack it. I would be very vary of trying to speak for everyone, when > considering [c'x] as ugly sounds to be dealt with as poison in the > language. I for sure don't. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b874afe6e81c2050780db2f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2014-11-10 15:47 GMT+03:00 la gusek. <gunnar_secret@hotmail.co= m>:
What? = Burp letters?

A reference to an old <= a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/lmw/borrowing_from_Loglan">article on th= e wiki.

When did the aesthetically value of consonants [c'x] suddenly become = objectively quantifiable? I did know that some people consider [x] to be ug= ly, and some people have difficulties pronouncing it... but [c']? They = are very common internationally and I've honestly never even considered= them as being disliked!

Too add my opinion, I personally = love all of these letters and certainly wouldn't in my wildest drea= ms call them kafkylerfu. Yes, I have a strong personal taste for the [x] as= well, even though the natlangs I speak lack it. I would be very vary of tr= ying to speak for everyone, when considering [c'x] as ugly sounds to be= dealt with as poison in the language. I for sure don't.

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