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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: se klani be lo kafkylerfu
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On Monday, November 10, 2014 7:47:11 AM UTC-5, la .gusek. wrote:
>
> What? Burp letters? When did the aesthetically value of consonants [c'x] 
> suddenly become objectively quantifiable? I did know that some people 
> consider [x] to be ugly, and some people have difficulties pronouncing 
> it... but [c']? They are very common internationally and I've honestly 
> never even considered them as being disliked!
>
> Too add my *opinion*, I *personally *love all of these letters and 
> certainly wouldn't in my wildest dreams call them kafkylerfu. Yes, I have a 
> strong personal taste for the [x] as well, even though the natlangs I speak 
> lack it. I would be very vary of trying to speak for everyone, when 
> considering [c'x] as ugly sounds to be dealt with as poison in the 
> language. I for sure don't.
>

It not that they are "poison" and shouldn't exist, it's just that they are 
over represented. If you take c/j and x together they occur more often than 
any vowel, which is unprecedented in any language. c and j are used in a 
lot of very common words in Lojban so they get used more than other letters.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Monday, November 10, 2014 7:47:11 AM UTC-5, la =
.gusek. wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>What? Burp letters? When did the aesthetically value of consonants [c'x] s=
uddenly become objectively quantifiable? I did know that some people consid=
er [x] to be ugly, and some people have difficulties pronouncing it... but =
[c']? They are very common internationally and I've honestly never even con=
sidered them as being disliked!<br><br>Too add my <i>opinion</i>, I <i>pers=
onally </i>love all of these letters and certainly wouldn't in my wildest d=
reams call them kafkylerfu. Yes, I have a strong personal taste for the [x]=
 as well, even though the natlangs I speak lack it. I would be very vary of=
 trying to speak for everyone, when considering [c'x] as ugly sounds to be =
dealt with as poison in the language. I for sure don't.<br></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>It not that they are "poison" and shouldn't exist, i=
t's just that they are over represented. If you take c/j and x together the=
y occur more often than any vowel, which is unprecedented in any language. =
c and j are used in a lot of very common words in Lojban so they get used m=
ore than other letters.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>

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