Received: from mail-oi0-f57.google.com ([209.85.218.57]:52250) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XoB05-00034b-4E for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:56:53 -0800 Received: by mail-oi0-f57.google.com with SMTP id h136sf1429773oig.2 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:56:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EjHuLA1Z507rAQg5y5D7PiTxyzGFcWHaqHMP4d+f9uQ=; b=Sv6EV16P/GD60MFM2nJVkebym/2GEgUBD8SNoOxJF6Vnt/9nHS9bcpoXPW2AkAd97s +lADtuoM2wlDYoXuXX2LJ8lcNtXAunLMar/THkerr+xBHFwY7NDpOrfCuVzDzXT8oFv4 3MUlCwgrOd8/zOvCvwFrLK4vhbZgnGSFWtkGLEw0pwgchey7I9COeawC600mYbAv6QFm UstPEIIc7SSuX/WU+uWgWycD2Tnznqv5a0Dz/kJNWUYL657MnM+NkKlay9EsvT3ewRqj encZLArusR231W5T7LlnrxC7EURuxaImLd55EM0o4vH6OqgTshgUBrAjPYAP4hqzAwAz dk9A== X-Received: by 10.140.25.146 with SMTP id 18mr15173qgt.26.1415710602704; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:56:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.51.82 with SMTP id t76ls2352204qga.79.gmail; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:56:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.236.53.34 with SMTP id f22mr32334518yhc.51.1415710602300; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id pk7si2527760pbc.2.2014.11.11.04.56.41 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.231; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:58471] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id E5/9D-07509-98702645; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:56:41 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7FB1A7F for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:56:40 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban's Biggest Problem or Why Still Nobody Speaks It Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 19:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: <14042671.8dT09WbtTU@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-39-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <829a0b24-d44b-47b8-adaf-95c504d65099@googlegroups.com> References: <544D34B1.7000000@gmx.de> <111f4a53-a184-4d84-879e-5cad6d3f1a53@googlegroups.com> <829a0b24-d44b-47b8-adaf-95c504d65099@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.118:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, November 09, 2014 15:13:43 Andrew Browne wrote: > lo ma'efle jitro sinxa > > imo this is a better semantic description of a traffic light than "traffic > light" is. > This lojban phrase is missing is a strong association between this specific > phrase and the specific thing. Is that association still required with a > more detailed description? "ma'efle jitro sinxa" and "jezystisni" can also describe the sign with "STOP" on one side and "SLOW" on the other, which is flipped by who for historical reasons is called a flagman. The latter can also describe a pedestrian signal. The former can also describe a "YIELD" sign. And that's fine. Lojban doesn't divide the world the way English does, nor English the way Hebrew does, or so on. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.