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> On Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:54:55 PM UTC-5, stevo wrote:
>
> Or at least a specific phrase that means 'traffic light', just as
> English uses not a single word, but a phrase.

Morphologically, _traffic light_ is probably a single word -- a compound stem --, since the main accent is on the 'traff' (TRAFFiclight), whereas in a phrase the accent is normally on the final word in the phrase (*traffic LIGHT).

_Traffic light_ is also a single word qua listeme. Listemes are gestalts, with some properties that aren't derived from their parts (if they have any parts).

Andrew Browne, On 09/11/2014 23:13:
> The phrase, "traffic light" could mean lights that illuminate the
> road and traffic (i.e. "street lights"), or all of the light
> pollution from street lights and lights on cars. This phrase
> communicates the concept not because it describes the concept so
> well, but because the phrase "traffic light" is specifically
> associated with that thing. I think an association between a specific
> phrase and a specific thing comes with more usage,

In natlangs, listemes develop diachronically through usage in the way you describe. In Lojban, listemes must (i) be single brivla and (ii) be formally listed in reference materials that define the language.

TR NS, On 09/11/2014 21:46:
> Maybe that's the kind of construct Lojban needs --a way to use two
> (or more) words together that have a specific (gestalt?) meaning
> rather then a metaphorical one. Yet I don't see how the grammar would
> allow it.

Something more than {zei}?

--And.

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