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On 12/11/2014 17:44, Richard Van Tassel wrote:
> In English, I can say something like  "Drink your milk because it 
> makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking milk 
> make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a separate 
> statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you to do something.
>
> In Lojban I can say {ko pinxe loi ladru} "drink some milk" and {do 
> pinxe loi ladru na.a do tsali} "you drinking milk implies that you are 
> strong", but I don't know how to combine them in a suitable manner.  
> By the way, let me know if there is a more appropriate way to say the 
> second one. I originally thought something with ri'a would do, but 
> something seems off about using ri'a to talk about a hypothetical 
> situation.
>
> Anyway, how can I give a command and explain why I gave it, without 
> making the explanation part of the statement I want the listener to 
> do. I don't want to tell someone "stop making faces or your face will 
> stick that way" and make it seem like "making your face stick that 
> way" is an avenue of fulfilling my command.

{ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu selja'e lo nu 
do tsali}
{ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo nu go'i cu selja'e lo nu do tsali} 
(shorter version)
"Drink milk, because if you drink milk you'll be strong."
or
{ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo ka pinxe lo ladru cu tadji lo ka tsali}
"Drink milk, because drinking milk is a method for being strong." (using 
{tadji}/"method" is more impersonal)

{.i ki'u bo} is a special construction linking two sentences with the 
relation {krinu} "because" (it's like the conjunction "because" between 
two complete sentences in English).

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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