Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:59:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Van Tassel <rickvt@gmail.com>
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ki'ecai

That's exactly what I was looking for! Is there a chapter in the CLL that 
would explain it further and have similar constructions?

Also, I want to correct my earlier guess. I meant {do pinxe loi ladru 
.inaja do tsali}. I noticed that you didn't use logical connectives to 
explain the interaction between drinking milk and strong bones. Is that for 
a particular reason or just a matter of opinion?

Thanks again for quick and detailed help!

On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:27:06 PM UTC-5, Ilmen wrote:
>
>
> On 12/11/2014 17:44, Richard Van Tassel wrote: 
> > In English, I can say something like  "Drink your milk because it 
> > makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking milk 
> > make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a separate 
> > statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you to do 
> something. 
> > 
> > In Lojban I can say {ko pinxe loi ladru} "drink some milk" and {do 
> > pinxe loi ladru na.a do tsali} "you drinking milk implies that you are 
> > strong", but I don't know how to combine them in a suitable manner.   
> > By the way, let me know if there is a more appropriate way to say the 
> > second one. I originally thought something with ri'a would do, but 
> > something seems off about using ri'a to talk about a hypothetical 
> > situation. 
> > 
> > Anyway, how can I give a command and explain why I gave it, without 
> > making the explanation part of the statement I want the listener to 
> > do. I don't want to tell someone "stop making faces or your face will 
> > stick that way" and make it seem like "making your face stick that 
> > way" is an avenue of fulfilling my command. 
>
> {ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu selja'e lo nu 
> do tsali} 
> {ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo nu go'i cu selja'e lo nu do tsali} 
> (shorter version) 
> "Drink milk, because if you drink milk you'll be strong." 
> or 
> {ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo ka pinxe lo ladru cu tadji lo ka tsali} 
> "Drink milk, because drinking milk is a method for being strong." (using 
> {tadji}/"method" is more impersonal) 
>
> {.i ki'u bo} is a special construction linking two sentences with the 
> relation {krinu} "because" (it's like the conjunction "because" between 
> two complete sentences in English). 
>
> mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o 
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">ki'ecai<br><br>That's exactly what I was looking for! Is t=
here a chapter in the CLL that would explain it further and have similar co=
nstructions?<br><br>Also, I want to correct my earlier guess. I meant {do p=
inxe loi ladru .inaja do tsali}. I noticed that you didn't use logical conn=
ectives to explain the interaction between drinking milk and strong bones. =
Is that for a particular reason or just a matter of opinion?<br><br>Thanks =
again for quick and detailed help!<br><br>On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1=
2:27:06 PM UTC-5, Ilmen wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>On 12/11/2014 17:44, Richard Van Tassel wrote:
<br>&gt; In English, I can say something like &nbsp;"Drink your milk becaus=
e it=20
<br>&gt; makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking m=
ilk=20
<br>&gt; make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a separa=
te=20
<br>&gt; statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you to do som=
ething.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; In Lojban I can say {ko pinxe loi ladru} "drink some milk" and {do=
=20
<br>&gt; pinxe loi ladru na.a do tsali} "you drinking milk implies that you=
 are=20
<br>&gt; strong", but I don't know how to combine them in a suitable manner=
. &nbsp;
<br>&gt; By the way, let me know if there is a more appropriate way to say =
the=20
<br>&gt; second one. I originally thought something with ri'a would do, but=
=20
<br>&gt; something seems off about using ri'a to talk about a hypothetical=
=20
<br>&gt; situation.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; Anyway, how can I give a command and explain why I gave it, withou=
t=20
<br>&gt; making the explanation part of the statement I want the listener t=
o=20
<br>&gt; do. I don't want to tell someone "stop making faces or your face w=
ill=20
<br>&gt; stick that way" and make it seem like "making your face stick that=
=20
<br>&gt; way" is an avenue of fulfilling my command.
<br>
<br>{ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu selja'e lo nu=
=20
<br>do tsali}
<br>{ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo nu go'i cu selja'e lo nu do tsali}=20
<br>(shorter version)
<br>"Drink milk, because if you drink milk you'll be strong."
<br>or
<br>{ko pinxe lo ladru .i ki'u bo lo ka pinxe lo ladru cu tadji lo ka tsali=
}
<br>"Drink milk, because drinking milk is a method for being strong." (usin=
g=20
<br>{tadji}/"method" is more impersonal)
<br>
<br>{.i ki'u bo} is a special construction linking two sentences with the=
=20
<br>relation {krinu} "because" (it's like the conjunction "because" between=
=20
<br>two complete sentences in English).
<br>
<br>mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o
<br>
<br>
<br></blockquote></div>

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