Received: from mail-ig0-f188.google.com ([209.85.213.188]:50033) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XodKq-0006NW-4Y for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:09 -0800 Received: by mail-ig0-f188.google.com with SMTP id l13sf544258iga.5 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=+5zvUlU2jUSu8/R71xuMfQyU3fLOFH3BCmJwsLWsp/8=; b=qa+Zlk5mHktxG6XlHm1H0QqOmBNJKyML+kaROBWZBeC35RakSeM5C+GUvFYwzjW5xZ q1PaUeAHLtO8TN3Ja67+UxBuKzOn5t9wOEiRWNIyduf6JZvaPTrmEuv4CPgMSp0z/nX8 Bb+sMGLyS4kLvZ1gf6GdabkRdVhplxF7N9Cf1QS53NoUSL1cGQewl148Yj4TiRxj/uWo cGyeTH2axKOxWu45W/Qhy6f4w1HLf79wBMuW2xHT+2OfmPqdJc6tdy95e/n6L1lpugle qcHwXrUhoVmdZv/Wv6F0v2qGLpk7bl68l6XHeHtUvKv6PhuEvyxc0J2rLa01pkIuqv1B 2edA== X-Received: by 10.50.47.45 with SMTP id a13mr495700ign.7.1415819521745; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.169.163 with SMTP id f35ls2215328ioj.15.gmail; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.190.229 with SMTP id gt5mr36581435pac.39.1415819521408; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ux1si3042061pab.2.2014.11.12.11.12.00 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XodKi-0006NP-7t for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:12:00 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Justifying a command Message-ID: <20141112191200.GA13899@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <028332cf-3cd5-4ffe-b6be-4a44f48f5f38@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <028332cf-3cd5-4ffe-b6be-4a44f48f5f38@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Richard Van Tassel wrote: > In English, I can say something like "Drink your milk because it > makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking > milk make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a > separate statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you > to do something. As you can imagine, this comes up a lot for me (twin 3 year olds). As a general comment, Lojban *SUCKS* when it comes to subjunctives. It makes the language far, far harder to use as an everyday language than it should be. Having said that, I would do {.i .e'o ko pixno lo ladru .i lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu rinka lo nu do tsali binxo}. If I was feeling less formal, I might do {.i .e'o ko pinxe lo ladru mu'i lo nu tsali binxo}, where I'm really talking about the motivation of the command. -- http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.