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Subject: Re: [lojban] Justifying a command
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In terms of the issue with {ko pinxe lo ladru ki'u lo nu ri'a ri do=20
tsalyze'a}, namely that the command scopes over the {krinu} relation, can't=
=20
we just switch the scope like this: {ki'u lo nu lo ladru do tsalyze'a kei=
=20
ko pinxe ri}? It's a little more awkward, but shorter than the equivalent=
=20
sentence connection that Ilmen provided.

mu'o mi'e la durkavore

El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 12 de noviembre de 2014 14:12:02 UTC-5, Robin Powell esc=
ribi=C3=B3:
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Richard Van Tassel wrote:=20
> > In English, I can say something like  "Drink your milk because it=20
> > makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking=20
> > milk make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a=20
> > separate statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you=20
> > to do something.=20
>
> As you can imagine, this comes up a lot for me (twin 3 year olds).=20
>
> As a general comment, Lojban *SUCKS* when it comes to subjunctives.=20
> It makes the language far, far harder to use as an everyday language=20
> than it should be.=20
>
> Having said that, I would do=20
> {.i .e'o ko pixno lo ladru .i lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu rinka lo nu=20
> do tsali binxo}.  If I was feeling less formal, I might do {.i .e'o=20
> ko pinxe lo ladru mu'i lo nu tsali binxo}, where I'm really talking=20
> about the motivation of the command.=20
>
> --=20
> http://intelligence.org/ :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.=
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> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e=20
> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e=20
> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In terms of the issue with {ko pinxe lo ladru ki'u lo nu r=
i'a ri do tsalyze'a}, namely that the command scopes over the {krinu} relat=
ion, can't we just switch the scope like this: {ki'u lo nu lo ladru do tsal=
yze'a kei ko pinxe ri}? It's a little more awkward, but shorter than the eq=
uivalent sentence connection that Ilmen provided.<br><br>mu'o mi'e la durka=
vore<br><br>El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 12 de noviembre de 2014 14:12:02 UTC-5, Robi=
n Powell escribi=C3=B3:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Wed,=
 Nov 12, 2014 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Richard Van Tassel wrote:
<br>&gt; In English, I can say something like &nbsp;"Drink your milk becaus=
e it
<br>&gt; makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking
<br>&gt; milk make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a
<br>&gt; separate statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you
<br>&gt; to do something.
<br>
<br>As you can imagine, this comes up a lot for me (twin 3 year olds).
<br>
<br>As a general comment, Lojban *SUCKS* when it comes to subjunctives.
<br>It makes the language far, far harder to use as an everyday language
<br>than it should be.
<br>
<br>Having said that, I would do
<br>{.i .e'o ko pixno lo ladru .i lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu rinka lo nu
<br>do tsali binxo}. &nbsp;If I was feeling less formal, I might do {.i .e'=
o
<br>ko pinxe lo ladru mu'i lo nu tsali binxo}, where I'm really talking
<br>about the motivation of the command.
<br>
<br>--=20
<br><a href=3D"http://intelligence.org/" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"t=
his.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fintelligence.org%2F\=
46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFyNBGvdUhECxEOKdxuIK_R8NjkLg';return tru=
e;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Finte=
lligence.org%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFyNBGvdUhECxEOKdxuIK_R8N=
jkLg';return true;">http://intelligence.org/</a> : &nbsp;Our last, best hop=
e for a fantastic future.
<br>.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e
<br>lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
<br>lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakn=
i li'u
<br></blockquote></div>

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