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.oise'i li'a mi skudji lu "ki'u lo nu ba'e *ri'a* lo ladru do tsalyze'a kei=
=20
ko pinxe ri" li'u

El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 12 de noviembre de 2014 15:04:26 UTC-5, la durka escribi=
=C3=B3:
>
> In terms of the issue with {ko pinxe lo ladru ki'u lo nu ri'a ri do=20
> tsalyze'a}, namely that the command scopes over the {krinu} relation, can=
't=20
> we just switch the scope like this: {ki'u lo nu lo ladru do tsalyze'a kei=
=20
> ko pinxe ri}? It's a little more awkward, but shorter than the equivalent=
=20
> sentence connection that Ilmen provided.
>
> mu'o mi'e la durkavore
>
> El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 12 de noviembre de 2014 14:12:02 UTC-5, Robin Powell=
=20
> escribi=C3=B3:
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Richard Van Tassel wrote:=20
>> > In English, I can say something like  "Drink your milk because it=20
>> > makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking=20
>> > milk make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a=20
>> > separate statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you=20
>> > to do something.=20
>>
>> As you can imagine, this comes up a lot for me (twin 3 year olds).=20
>>
>> As a general comment, Lojban *SUCKS* when it comes to subjunctives.=20
>> It makes the language far, far harder to use as an everyday language=20
>> than it should be.=20
>>
>> Having said that, I would do=20
>> {.i .e'o ko pixno lo ladru .i lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu rinka lo nu=20
>> do tsali binxo}.  If I was feeling less formal, I might do {.i .e'o=20
>> ko pinxe lo ladru mu'i lo nu tsali binxo}, where I'm really talking=20
>> about the motivation of the command.=20
>>
>> --=20
>> http://intelligence.org/ :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.=
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>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e=
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>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e=20
>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni=
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>> li'u=20
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">.oise'i li'a mi skudji lu "ki'u lo nu ba'e *ri'a* lo ladru=
 do tsalyze'a kei ko pinxe ri" li'u<br><br>El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 12 de noviemb=
re de 2014 15:04:26 UTC-5, la durka escribi=C3=B3:<blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">In terms of the issue with {ko pinxe l=
o ladru ki'u lo nu ri'a ri do tsalyze'a}, namely that the command scopes ov=
er the {krinu} relation, can't we just switch the scope like this: {ki'u lo=
 nu lo ladru do tsalyze'a kei ko pinxe ri}? It's a little more awkward, but=
 shorter than the equivalent sentence connection that Ilmen provided.<br><b=
r>mu'o mi'e la durkavore<br><br>El mi=C3=A9rcoles, 12 de noviembre de 2014 =
14:12:02 UTC-5, Robin Powell escribi=C3=B3:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Richard Van Tassel wrote:
<br>&gt; In English, I can say something like &nbsp;"Drink your milk becaus=
e it
<br>&gt; makes you strong". I'm not telling the listener to make drinking
<br>&gt; milk make you strong--"because it makes you strong" is largely a
<br>&gt; separate statement, only providing context to why I'm telling you
<br>&gt; to do something.
<br>
<br>As you can imagine, this comes up a lot for me (twin 3 year olds).
<br>
<br>As a general comment, Lojban *SUCKS* when it comes to subjunctives.
<br>It makes the language far, far harder to use as an everyday language
<br>than it should be.
<br>
<br>Having said that, I would do
<br>{.i .e'o ko pixno lo ladru .i lo nu do pinxe lo ladru cu rinka lo nu
<br>do tsali binxo}. &nbsp;If I was feeling less formal, I might do {.i .e'=
o
<br>ko pinxe lo ladru mu'i lo nu tsali binxo}, where I'm really talking
<br>about the motivation of the command.
<br>
<br>--=20
<br><a href=3D"http://intelligence.org/" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"t=
his.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fintelligence.org%2F\=
46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFyNBGvdUhECxEOKdxuIK_R8NjkLg';return tru=
e;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Finte=
lligence.org%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFyNBGvdUhECxEOKdxuIK_R8N=
jkLg';return true;">http://intelligence.org/</a> : &nbsp;Our last, best hop=
e for a fantastic future.
<br>.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e
<br>lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
<br>lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakn=
i li'u
<br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>

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